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Title: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Neko Desu on December 11, 2011, 02:15:15 am
While MLP is about teaching lessons to children on important values in life, I can't help but feel that some of the ponies start off intrinsically "superior" in terms of morals than others. Even though they do learn lessons, certain ponies are still very nice all around regardless of which episode they're in. Who in your opinion is the most morally superior pony?

Also have you noticed how everyone in Canterlot (episode 9, season 2) is a Unicorn? This means that unicorns must be the superior race in the world of MLP. It also means racism towards regular ponies from Ponyville....
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Valkema on December 11, 2011, 02:31:10 am
http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/forums/index.php?topic=12182.0
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Neko Desu on December 11, 2011, 02:32:16 am
But I can't poll there
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Valkema on December 11, 2011, 02:41:45 am
Polls are for noobs.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Sarah on December 11, 2011, 05:57:32 am
http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/forums/index.php?topic=12182.0
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: GuyWithPasta on December 11, 2011, 09:38:53 am
Or, how about you guys don't click on thread you can't give two shits about, hmmm?  Is that so hard?

Also, I'd have to go with Applejack on this one.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: tijit on December 11, 2011, 09:46:24 am
Fuck you guys I voted for pinkie pie
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Sarah on December 11, 2011, 05:08:57 pm
Or, how about you guys don't click on thread you can't give two shits about, hmmm?  Is that so hard?

Also, I'd have to go with Applejack on this one.

It has its own thread though. Would it be okay if I made five different Minecraft threads each based on one thing I wanted to talk about? No, so why is it okay for ponies to take up multiple threads? Before you say "Oh, it's just one, shut up" it's happened before. It will happen again, I guarantee it.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Evan20000 on December 11, 2011, 05:44:17 pm
I'll let this thread go, but any further ones will be deleted on sight. Everyone else keeps all their shit contained to one thread so bronies should do the same.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Lion on December 11, 2011, 07:25:14 pm
Or, how about you guys don't click on thread you can't give two shits about, hmmm?  Is that so hard?

Also, I'd have to go with Applejack on this one.

It has its own thread though. Would it be okay if I made five different Minecraft threads each based on one thing I wanted to talk about?

Yes, if IWBTF didn't plummet to the ground because of its base of rules.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: GuyWithPasta on December 11, 2011, 08:15:30 pm
Or, how about you guys don't click on thread you can't give two shits about, hmmm?  Is that so hard?

Also, I'd have to go with Applejack on this one.

It has its own thread though. Would it be okay if I made five different Minecraft threads each based on one thing I wanted to talk about? No, so why is it okay for ponies to take up multiple threads? Before you say "Oh, it's just one, shut up" it's happened before. It will happen again, I guarantee it.

I wasn't gonna say that.  I was gonna say (wait for it), "Go right ahead, although I probably wouldn't be investigating every thread."
Seriously, I thought the point of forums was to talk to people about what people like in the threads dedicated to that sort of thing.

I'll let this thread go, but any further ones will be deleted on sight. Everyone else keeps all their shit contained to one thread so bronies should do the same.

I agree.  I don't mind if we have two semi-active pony threads (or really any major topic [including topics I don't like]), but not so we overflow.  In my opinion, three topics is wary and four is right-out.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 11, 2011, 08:40:23 pm
Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: liquidCorgster on December 11, 2011, 08:43:55 pm
Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.

This is why we love you, Venser.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Neo on December 11, 2011, 08:47:47 pm
Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.

This is why we love you, Venser.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Salamander on December 11, 2011, 08:49:46 pm
Would it be okay if I made five different Minecraft threads each based on one thing I wanted to talk about?
Actually yes, depending on the circumstances.  Forums are meant as a way of categorizing on a high level, threads are meant to be used for categorizing at a low level.  You would not want to talk about Bukkit, Canary, or known griefers in a thread where everyone else is talking about the latest client update.
It bugs the hell out of the people who don't want to hear about it, and it bugs the hell out of the people who do want to hear about it when they have to wade through posts unrelated to Bukkit/Canary/whatever.
Don't like Minecraft?  Don't click on threads with Minecraft in the topic.
A lot of minecraft threads turning up all over the place?  Make a Minecraft subforum.

Replace Minecraft with Ponies for the exact same argument.

So now the question I really have to ask is this:
All of you who hate MLP, why are you clicking on threads which are quite clearly going to be MLP related?
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: liquidCorgster on December 11, 2011, 09:07:23 pm
Make a ponies subforum.

Hmm... I was just struck with the most fascinating idea...
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Sarah on December 11, 2011, 09:10:12 pm
Make a ponies subforum.

Hmm... I was just struck with the most fascinating idea...

If this happens, make it like the NSFW board where you need permissions, then DON'T give me permission to access. XD

Also, Venser, I love you. <3
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Salamander on December 11, 2011, 09:15:14 pm
If you need administrators to forcibly stop you from looking at something you don't want to see, frankly, you have problems.
Go seek help.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Dagnarok on December 11, 2011, 09:17:59 pm
If you need administrators to forcibly stop you from looking at something you don't want to see, frankly, you have problems.
Go seek help.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 11, 2011, 09:26:19 pm
Replace Minecraft with Ponies for the exact same argument.
Given that it took several years and masses of games for IWBTF to eventually make a Games subforum, this just isn't going to happen. Honestly, this forum isn't nearly big enough for a subforum for a specific topic - games are general enough that it maintains a worthwhile critical mass.

Say we made a MLP subforum here. You're talking about one "general" thread, and then maybe one or two other worthwhile threads at a time. It's not worth it. Just keep it in one thread. If it's something that is different enough that it merits its own thread (like, say, a MLP fighting game), go ahead, fine. But this is really just not something that merits discussion outside its given thread.

We could make a subforum for a lot of things. That doesn't mean we should.

: show
(http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/files/thumbs/t_dead-horse_977.jpg)
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Sarah on December 11, 2011, 09:34:41 pm
If you need administrators to forcibly stop you from looking at something you don't want to see, frankly, you have problems.
Go seek help.

I didn't say that I did. It was a joke more than anything. >_>
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Dagnarok on December 11, 2011, 09:43:43 pm
Wasn't trying to offend you Sarah; I've just... heard things of the same caliber (both IRL and not) more than I care for, and (from both sides) it annoys me every time I hear it. >_>
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Salamander on December 11, 2011, 10:57:55 pm
We could make a subforum for a lot of things. That doesn't mean we should.
I just took a sample of data from the first three pages of GD and worked some statistics on it.
Lets go with Quartiles.
In terms of post count, we have Q1 = 6, Median = 16, Q3 = 32, and the Interquartile range = 26.
Thus, any thread with more than 71 posts (32  + 1.5 * 26) should be considered F'ing huge.
...Which leads on to my main point: The MLP thread is 16 times larger than the "F'ing huge" cutoff.

As it stands, off the top of my head, I believe it could be split into a humorous picture thread, a comic thread, a music thread, a video thread, a fanfiction thread, and a thread for discussion of each episode of season 2 (which is ten -and counting-).

Forcing content which is only loosely related into the one thread inevitably just turns the thread into a disorganised mess; impossible to find any relevant information in any sane manner.
The job of a moderator is not to wave their penis around; It is to maintain order.  You have failed in this regard.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 11, 2011, 11:34:14 pm
We already have topics for many of the things you mentioned: humorous pictures, music, videos. Why does each of those things need to have a specific MLP version? A thread for discussion of each episode is somewhat implausible on a forum this small. Let's look at the thread. Now, I don't keep up with MLP, but discussion of what appears to be the second-to-last episode (starting with this post (http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/forums/index.php?topic=12182.msg367406#msg367406)) was only six posts.

That's really not topic-worthy. But then, one episode is hardly a good sample size, is it? Let's look at some more. The next one in reverse chronological order I found (beginning here (http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/forums/index.php?topic=12182.msg366561#msg366561)) is around 8-9 posts, I'm not sure how relevant some of them are. Next one before that...(here (http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/forums/index.php?topic=12182.msg365600#msg365600)) is 8 posts, and that's counting several posts of worthless shit. Skimming back, no episodes stuck out at me as having any significant numbers of posts. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that it isn't worth having threads for individual things that are not going to get double digits of posts when they can be conglomerated into a single thread. The most recent episode (which I found after typing up this paragraph) is just 7 posts. Still fits with the rest of them.

The final two divisions you suggest are comics and fanfiction. Comics are relatively few of the posts in the MLP thread, and I don't see any comic-related posts in the last six pages of the thread. Fanfiction seems to comprise a large percentage of the MLP thread, and I suppose you could argue that there should be two threads, one for MLP Fanfiction and one for MLP General, but I really don't think it's so big a deal that it's necessary.

Also, if you have some issue with the argument of "we have threads for those individual things [humorous images, videos, etc.]", go look at the last month of the MLP thread, counting the number of posts for those things. You're not going to find a number that's significant by your own reasoning of quartiles.

Now let's look at the rest of your argument.

I'm really not sure why quartiles are relevant. The determination of whether MLP has enough content to be its own subforum has nothing at all to do with how big it is compared to other threads; it has to do with absolute standards of "is it so large and diverse that the thread is too chaotic to understand?" and/or "is it big enough to garner its own subforum?" Neither of those things have anything to do with comparing its size to other topics.

The job of a moderator is not to wave their penis around; It is to maintain order.  You have failed in this regard.
The direct insult, too, is really not necessary and just makes you appear childish and unable to support an argument with facts. If you're arguing that I'm trying to display my power rather than keep order, that's a different argument...and one you would find impossible to support, given that there's no evidence for it.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Sarah on December 11, 2011, 11:35:41 pm
Laugh = Lose is much bigger, though doesn't have its own subforum.

Minecraft is behind about 20 pages, but still is much bigger than your "F'ing huge" thread status, though it doesn't have its own subforum.

Why should My Little Pony? Either give Minecraft its own as well as My Little Pony, or neither. I say neither because although I LOVE Minecraft, it wouldn't be fair still. Besides, what happens when its popularity dies off? Do we keep the subforum? What about My Lame Pony? Do we keep that subforum when its popularity dies off?

Personally, I say just leave it alone.

EDIT: Venser, no ninjaing. D:
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 11, 2011, 11:38:11 pm
Oh, and by the way: I'm totally open to the idea of having multiple threads for a singular topic, or the creation of a subforum for a topic that merits it. You would just have to convince me that MLP fits the requirements for either one, and right now I don't see it as being there for either one.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: ybbald on December 11, 2011, 11:41:34 pm
I don't see why we can't have multiple thread for MLP
1 in GD for most of the shit
1 in NSFW for all the Clop clop
three MLP threads would be excessive, though, let's keep it to two
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Evan20000 on December 11, 2011, 11:44:50 pm
Oh, and by the way: I'm totally open to the idea of having multiple threads for a singular topic, or the creation of a subforum for a topic that merits it. You would just have to convince me that MLP fits the requirements for either one, and right now I don't see it as being there for either one.
Seconding this.

Also, induringshitstorm
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 11, 2011, 11:46:05 pm
...I somehow doubt that there would be so much NSFW MLP material that it would merit its own thread. If you were to divide it, I would say meritorious posts should be in GD (MLP General, but free of all the images and so on), and more content-lacking posts would be in a Crap version (sub-MLP). I don't really think it's necessary, although it might be more convenient for those that commonly browse the thread.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Evan20000 on December 11, 2011, 11:51:17 pm
A thread in NSFW wouldn't be out of the question imo because the images simply can't go into the General MLP thread due to content.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: ybbald on December 11, 2011, 11:52:16 pm
there are already some clopclop posts in the GD thread
the problem is that it takes me too damn long to find them every night
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Salamander on December 12, 2011, 12:22:07 am
We already have topics for many of the things you mentioned: humorous pictures, music, videos. Why does each of those things need to have a specific MLP version?
How about the fact everyone seems to go off their nut if anything pony related is seen outside of the MLP thread?

*talk about episode discussion sizes*
The point of a separate thread for actual episode discussion clearly is not immediately apparent.
The reason is this:
: show
No one knows how to actually use spoiler tags correctly.  Nor when its appropriate to stop using them.


The final two divisions you suggest are comics and fanfiction. Comics are relatively few of the posts in the MLP thread, and I don't see any comic-related posts in the last six pages of the thread.
Thread consists of 1185 posts.  Try finding all posts related to comics.
Its not easy, is it?


I'm really not sure why quartiles are relevant. The determination of whether MLP has enough content to be its own subforum has nothing at all to do with how big it is compared to other threads; it has to do with absolute standards of "is it so large and diverse that the thread is too chaotic to understand?" and/or "is it big enough to garner its own subforum?" Neither of those things have anything to do with comparing its size to other topics.
It has a lot to do with comparing it to other topics, actually.  Comparing it to other topics (Which, for the most part, are easy to understand) it is over 16 times bigger than what you'd reasonably expect.
That indicates there is something fundamentally wrong going on here.  The same is true about the Minecraft thread.
Being that it is 16 times bigger, you could, quite rightly, assume that it is actually composed of 16 much smaller threads.
In reality, it may be more than that.  It may be less than that.  But its a damn good guess.


The direct insult, too, is really not necessary and just makes you appear childish and unable to support an argument with facts. If you're arguing that I'm trying to display my power rather than keep order, that's a different argument...and one you would find impossible to support, given that there's no evidence for it.
It was not an insult; It was an observation.
Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.
This was you posting that, yes?


The point of threads is not "There is too much discussion going on"; the point of them is "There has been too much discussion over time, it is impossible to sanely find anything".  The point of the subforum is that most people get really pissy if they see even one more pony related thread (Case in point: THIS FUCKING THREAD), so by putting them in their own subforum they would only ever see one pony related thing: the subforum itself.  This is known as a compromise.


The simple fact is, to counter my post you actually had to go into the thread and look back at least six pages.
Which is exactly my point.
You had to exhaustively scan through a chunk of the thread, and you stopped when you couldn't be bothered anymore.


Laugh = Lose is much bigger, though doesn't have its own subforum.
Laugh = lose is literally one topic: You post pictures, people try not to laugh at them.  It cannot be split any more than it already is.

Minecraft is behind about 20 pages, but still is much bigger than your "F'ing huge" thread status, though it doesn't have its own subforum.

Why should My Little Pony? Either give Minecraft its own as well as My Little Pony, or neither. I say neither because although I LOVE Minecraft, it wouldn't be fair still. Besides, what happens when its popularity dies off? Do we keep the subforum? What about My Lame Pony? Do we keep that subforum when its popularity dies off?
I never said the Minecraft topic shouldn't be split.  In fact I believe it should, for the very same reasons I've already stated.  Its why I was using it as an example earlier, even if I did not outright state this.
As to what to do with the subforums later, you could always add a 'vault' category to the main page and move it and any other unused subforums there.  Then people can just cascade the list so they never see any of the unused sections again.
Or you could add [MLP] to the topic of all threads and then just merge it back in to GD.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Pokota on December 12, 2011, 12:23:49 am
I can understand wanting to make separate threads for separate topics - it makes it easier for people to stay on topic when new shit happens.

That's just the problem, though. Either we're too condensed into one thread to be able to legally post everything, or else we'll have too many threads with too few posts.

If you want my solution? One MLP Discussion thread in GD that stays relatively on-topic, and one Clop Clop thread in NSFW (so that Boner = Lose doesn't become bronyfied). Since this isn't Hasbro Forums, we won't need to have one discussion thread for every episode AND one discussion thread for every season AND one discussion thread for every character AND one Clop Clop thread for every character (scary thought - there's enough out there to justify that last one). One discussion thread and one porn thread, that's really all we'd need for MLP - especially since it appears to be a smaller subset of the forumites than the regular mafia players.

While we're on the subject, since most of General Games is filled up with Mafia, can we make a mafia subforum? [/tangent]
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: ybbald on December 12, 2011, 12:28:03 am
This is not a MLP Forum. It's an IWBTG forum. The MLP thread is fine as it is. We've never had an issue about large threads before. Should we make a thread for L=L rage comics? And another for L=L videos? And one for L=L demotivationals? And one L=L for everything else? No, that's absurd. MLP is one topic and one thread is sufficient
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Pokota on December 12, 2011, 12:32:49 am
Furry, be reasonable. The bronies will want their pony porn, but they're not allowed to have it outside of NSFW (and everyone complains when pony porn shows up in B=L). Two threads.

Salamander (and I just thought of this): Show Newest Posts Since Last Visit shows new posts from all accessible sub-forums. Which means that we'd still get pissy, we just would have to keep it to ourselves.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Evan20000 on December 12, 2011, 12:34:13 am
I don't see a problem with a NSFW thread if Ybbald is okay with it. But having threads all over the place when the posts could easily be condensed into one thread is out of the question.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: ybbald on December 12, 2011, 12:36:23 am
I meant one non-porn thread is sufficient. I'm fine with a clopclop thread in nsfw. That's what nsfw is for. No one has to go to nsfw
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Dagnarok on December 12, 2011, 12:37:00 am
Regarding the whole NSFW thing, do I have to bring up what Google complained about to Kayin? >_>

Salamander (and I just thought of this): Show Newest Posts Since Last Visit shows new posts from all accessible sub-forums. Which means that we'd still get pissy, we just would have to keep it to ourselves.

Not sure why restraint is so difficult these days. >_>

(ninja'd)
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: ybbald on December 12, 2011, 12:40:04 am
the problem was only with adds showing up in the NSFW board right? We've got that turned off
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 12, 2011, 12:51:49 am
We already have topics for many of the things you mentioned: humorous pictures, music, videos. Why does each of those things need to have a specific MLP version?
How about the fact everyone seems to go off their nut if anything pony related is seen outside of the MLP thread?
They can deal with it. If it's really such a huge issue, throw it in a spoiler and mark it with MLP. Honestly though, just as an example, anyone who rages at something MLP-related that's supposed to be generally funny being posted in, say, Laugh = Lose needs to get over it. Just post it, it's not your fault if they react poorly.

*talk about episode discussion sizes*
The point of a separate thread for actual episode discussion clearly is not immediately apparent.
The reason is this:
: show
No one knows how to actually use spoiler tags correctly.  Nor when its appropriate to stop using them.
That doesn't mean that it makes it worthwhile to clog up the forum with different threads that won't even get to 10 posts. This is a rather poor argument. If you want people to use spoiler tags, tell them that or don't go through the thread. Even if we had different threads for each episode, there would still be spoilers in the general thread. This isn't even a solution to the problem either way.

The final two divisions you suggest are comics and fanfiction. Comics are relatively few of the posts in the MLP thread, and I don't see any comic-related posts in the last six pages of the thread.
Thread consists of 1185 posts.  Try finding all posts related to comics.
Its not easy, is it?
Of course not. It's not purely about how many posts are there, though; it's about posts over time. If your thread is only going to get about one post every other day, well, that's really not much of a thread, even if it's been going for a year and you have 150+ posts.

I'm really not sure why quartiles are relevant. The determination of whether MLP has enough content to be its own subforum has nothing at all to do with how big it is compared to other threads; it has to do with absolute standards of "is it so large and diverse that the thread is too chaotic to understand?" and/or "is it big enough to garner its own subforum?" Neither of those things have anything to do with comparing its size to other topics.
It has a lot to do with comparing it to other topics, actually.  Comparing it to other topics (Which, for the most part, are easy to understand) it is over 16 times bigger than what you'd reasonably expect.
That indicates there is something fundamentally wrong going on here.  The same is true about the Minecraft thread.
Being that it is 16 times bigger, you could, quite rightly, assume that it is actually composed of 16 much smaller threads.
In reality, it may be more than that.  It may be less than that.  But its a damn good guess.
You still haven't explained why other threads are relevant. They aren't. It has nothing at all to do with other threads. Other threads don't deserve multiple topics or subforums either. There are plenty of threads of MLP's size that also don't have multiple topics or a subforum; why is MLP different from them? Your argument of "MLP is too diverse to be in one thread" is not convincing. I fail to see where all these divisions are. Fanfiction is the only plausibly large division off, and I don't see why it's so unreasonable for you to deal with having two (or even three, or four, or five) extremely similar and connected topics in one thread. At 16, you're talking about minute differences between divisions like "MLP funny pictures" and "MLP sad pictures" and "good sad fanfiction" and "good happy fanfiction", and so on.

The direct insult, too, is really not necessary and just makes you appear childish and unable to support an argument with facts. If you're arguing that I'm trying to display my power rather than keep order, that's a different argument...and one you would find impossible to support, given that there's no evidence for it.
It was not an insult; It was an observation.
Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.
This was you posting that, yes?
If you interpreted me as serious, you have two issues: one, you're far too defensive about your interests, and two, you don't understand that this forum is generally comprised of jokes. Would I have actually done it? Probably not, except possibly once or twice for comedic value. It's not as if I'm trying to maliciously destroy your pony thread, I was merely attempting to make humor. If you don't think jokes are appropriate, you should probably take a good, long look at how seriously you're taking comments about replacing images in a thread on an online forum.

The point of threads is not "There is too much discussion going on"; the point of them is "There has been too much discussion over time, it is impossible to sanely find anything".  The point of the subforum is that most people get really pissy if they see even one more pony related thread (Case in point: THIS FUCKING THREAD), so by putting them in their own subforum they would only ever see one pony related thing: the subforum itself.  This is known as a compromise.
This is really the only sensible point you have, and it's just not enough. It's honestly not that difficult to find what you're looking for in the MLP thread; the search button does actually work, you know. Sure, there are some things you can't find with it, like images, but breaking the thread into subsections wouldn't make that a whole lot better. As long as you remember around when it was posted, you can use that information to get into the general area in the thread and it shouldn't be difficult from there. If you're trying to conglomerate a bunch of images or something of that kind, there's plenty of better places to go, like forums that are actually dedicated to MLP.

The simple fact is, to counter my post you actually had to go into the thread and look back at least six pages.
Which is exactly my point.
You had to exhaustively scan through a chunk of the thread, and you stopped when you couldn't be bothered anymore.
It really wasn't all that difficult to search through six pages of the thread, even looking for multiple different things. It took a few minutes; if your argument were more convincing, I would have looked through more of the thread to determine whether or not there truly are significant divisions of topics in the MLP thread.

Laugh = Lose is much bigger, though doesn't have its own subforum.
Laugh = lose is literally one topic: You post pictures, people try not to laugh at them.  It cannot be split any more than it already is.
As Ybbald says, it could be split into images, videos, text, and so on. Given that most people are there for the images, and there's actually a significant number of people who rarely, if ever, click on the videos in Laugh = Lose (myself included), this actually wouldn't be unreasonable...if not for all the points that have been made against it in this very thread.

Minecraft is behind about 20 pages, but still is much bigger than your "F'ing huge" thread status, though it doesn't have its own subforum.

Why should My Little Pony? Either give Minecraft its own as well as My Little Pony, or neither. I say neither because although I LOVE Minecraft, it wouldn't be fair still. Besides, what happens when its popularity dies off? Do we keep the subforum? What about My Lame Pony? Do we keep that subforum when its popularity dies off?
I never said the Minecraft topic shouldn't be split.  In fact I believe it should, for the very same reasons I've already stated.  Its why I was using it as an example earlier, even if I did not outright state this.
As to what to do with the subforums later, you could always add a 'vault' category to the main page and move it and any other unused subforums there.  Then people can just cascade the list so they never see any of the unused sections again.
Or you could add [MLP] to the topic of all threads and then just merge it back in to GD.
There isn't a reason to make the subforum in the first place;
This is not a MLP Forum. It's an IWBTG forum. The MLP thread is fine as it is. We've never had an issue about large threads before. Should we make a thread for L=L rage comics? And another for L=L videos? And one for L=L demotivationals? And one L=L for everything else? No, that's absurd. MLP is one topic and one thread is sufficient

You can create all the conjecture and continue arguing for as long as you wish, but you need a much more convincing argument for there to be a subforum for MLP. A NSFW thread isn't unreasonable because those posts can't be made anywhere else, since Kayin doesn't want NSFW things on the searchable parts of the forum. I would say it isn't unreasonable to break MLP into a GD thread and a Crap thread (dividing based on post quality, as in images go in crap whereas discussion goes in GD), but just because it isn't unreasonable doesn't mean it should be done.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Salamander on December 12, 2011, 02:56:30 am
Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.
This was you posting that, yes?
If you interpreted me as serious, you have two issues: one, you're far too defensive about your interests, and two, you don't understand that this forum is generally comprised of jokes. Would I have actually done it? Probably not, except possibly once or twice for comedic value. It's not as if I'm trying to maliciously destroy your pony thread, I was merely attempting to make humor. If you don't think jokes are appropriate, you should probably take a good, long look at how seriously you're taking comments about replacing images in a thread on an online forum.
The crap forum is a place for general purpose humour such as lighthearted abuse of powers.  General Discussions is not.  The MLP thread is currently located in General Discussions.  This distinction is important.

As for me being too defensive about my interests?  I'd react the same way if you said it about the Minecraft thread- and I hate Minecraft.  This is about professionalism.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 12, 2011, 03:03:55 am
Note that we are currently making this discussion in Crap. And please note Serious Discussion; if nothing that was not serious was permitted in General Discussion, why would we have made the distinction between those two sections? There is plenty of room for humor in General Discussion; there just has to be a certain content requirement in your posts.

Not that I want to venture too far into conjecture, but I highly doubt it. You don't post on the forum at all unless it involves something you're particularly interested in. It clearly has nothing to do with professionalism.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Evan20000 on December 12, 2011, 03:08:04 am
As for me being too defensive about my interests?  I'd react the same way if you said it about the Minecraft thread- and I hate Minecraft.  This is about professionalism.
I call BS on that. Whenever a fiasco comes up involving a moderator (potentially) overstepping their bounds, you're nowhere to be found in the discussion.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Salamander on December 12, 2011, 03:45:36 am
You don't post on the forum at all unless it involves something you're particularly interested in. It clearly has nothing to do with professionalism.
I call BS on that. Whenever a fiasco comes up involving a moderator (potentially) overstepping their bounds, you're nowhere to be found in the discussion.
If the topic is unlikely to interest me, I do not click on it.  Therefore, I am only aware of issues that occur in topics which may interest me.  Additionally, I have been known to not even look at the forum for months at a time.
Yes, clearly, you have me all figured out.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 12, 2011, 12:26:57 pm
Basing your conduct on your past history, you have no evidence to support your claim that you would have any issue with it if it weren't MLP-related. You can claim that's because you wouldn't click the thread, but not looking into the threads indicate a lack of interest. If you were so interested in the health of the forum that you would defend something you're not interested in based purely on "professionalism", then you would look in those threads and respond. We've had plenty of much more horrendous instances in the past where the moderator was violating a rule. In this case, not only am I not violating a rule, you're literally the only person that has any issue with it because you're the only one here that doesn't accept that humor is quite appropriate on this forum unless there's some specific reason that it's not acceptable (as in SD, or certain topics that can be anywhere).

EDIT: As Evan reminded me, SD isn't even totally serious either. Mild jokes can be appropriate, as long as they are on-topic and your post contains content.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: GuyWithPasta on December 12, 2011, 01:52:19 pm
Urge to make myself a "MLP of IWBTF" forum rising...

As for number of threads, I think one per episode is quite ridiculous.  I'd say 3-4:
Also, the main reason I do not go to another forum whose focus is MLP is because I enjoy hanging out with you people, as hard as that may seem.  If you were to banish MLP from here, we would scatter to different forums and, eventually, bring it back here, even if it is to organize where we go.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Silver on December 19, 2011, 11:45:13 am
Jesus Christ what the fuck am I reading? I'm only going to be able to get away with this because it's in Crap!, but I'm making this post short for now. I'll try to address everything later when I'm not so tried and just trying to catch up.

The big thing I want to address is the shit-storm that came from this. It's ONE MORE THREAD, because a poll was wanted. It was reasonable. There's no flood of ponies. It's one extra fucking thread. How long ago was the first thread made? Seriously, I understand complaints if we were just taking over the whole forums, but I just returned from a little leave to 5 pages of topics and posts, and one thread about ponies garnered this much attention? I have to agree with the posts at the beginning of this thread; it says "ponies" right in the title. Don't click it if you don't like ponies. There's so much other shit you could go click on and talk about. I enjoy doing it too. I don't come here only for MLP. I come here for the company and the diversity. And I find it. If I didn't, why would I come back? It's so easy to avoid things like this. Just don't click what you don't have an interest in.

When it's time to make a big deal out of something these issues should arise. This, in my opinion, does not constitute as a reason to make a big deal about it.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: matlab on December 19, 2011, 12:01:00 pm
Yeah, Silver is right. There's no need to flip your shit because of one random pony thread in Crap.

I bet nobody would give a fuck if this was, let's say, WHICH MINECRAFT ENEMIES ARE MORALLY SUPERIOR?

Even though I find nothing of interest in MLP, I don't get buttmad about seeing a thread about it in here.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 19, 2011, 01:26:59 pm
As I said (and this is applicable to pretty much everything here)...

We already have topics for many of the things you mentioned: humorous pictures, music, videos. Why does each of those things need to have a specific MLP version?
How about the fact everyone seems to go off their nut if anything pony related is seen outside of the MLP thread?
They can deal with it. If it's really such a huge issue, throw it in a spoiler and mark it with MLP. Honestly though, just as an example, anyone who rages at something MLP-related that's supposed to be generally funny being posted in, say, Laugh = Lose needs to get over it. Just post it, it's not your fault if they react poorly.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Evan20000 on December 19, 2011, 01:46:16 pm
Oh god, I thought this thread died. ._.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Sarah on December 19, 2011, 03:07:20 pm
Oh god, I thought this thread died. ._.

There's only one way this thread can die apparently. Give it the padlock.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Venser on December 19, 2011, 03:29:31 pm
Personally, I prefer open discussion rather than just locking things down and preventing people from talking about it. If no one has any legitimate points to be made, I'm all for the lock, but if Silver wants to say something else I'm not going to stop him.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Silver on December 19, 2011, 04:01:27 pm
Personally, I prefer open discussion rather than just locking things down and preventing people from talking about it. If no one has any legitimate points to be made, I'm all for the lock, but if Silver wants to say something else I'm not going to stop him.

I'd rather it just die down. That would be better. Go ahead and lock it, my friend.
Title: Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
Post by: Evan20000 on December 19, 2011, 04:47:39 pm
Enemy nuke incoming! It's over!
(http://www.cryosites.com/shared/img/n/nuke_b4g7f.jpeg)