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Title: "Best" Boss
Post by: Makaris on October 27, 2007, 12:19:57 am
I am well aware that "best" is entirely subjective.  I don't mean the easiest, or the hardest.  I mean the one you enjoyed the most.  It doesn't matter why.  Go ahead and state which was your favorite, and why.  Use the spoiler tags so you don't ruin the bosses for people, fuckers.

For me, it's gotta be Mecha Birdo. 
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The whole package is simply awesome, starting from the moment you are horrifyingly dropped into the room.  Promptly after this your eyes and ears are assaulted with a message in the sort of unique (fucked up) way only the Japanese can manage... Then the fucking great music from Ikaruga comes on, hoping on missiles, IT APPEARS.  AWWW YEAH, LET'S DO THIS THING!!  OH SHIT EYE LASERS!  THE MISSILES ARE ACTIVATED!  I LOVE THIS FUCKER!


The music begins, your getting pumped... and then you see it.  HOLY SHIT!  LET'S DO THIS THING!
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: PhoenixUltima on October 28, 2007, 11:20:37 am
Dracula.
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His glass kills you! That is just the most hilarious thing ever. I quite literally laughed out loud when that happened.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Xylon Lionheart on October 28, 2007, 12:36:02 pm
I've got to say that Dracula was the most enjoyable boss for me.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Taco on October 28, 2007, 01:30:44 pm
Dracula has the glass going for him.
Mecha-Birdo is awesome on many accounts.
Mike Tyson is also awesome on.. Not as many accounts.

Mother Brain and Clown Copter.. Mleh. Mother Brain was just kinda boring even though there was a lot of stuff to avoid. Clown Copter just takes too damn long to get through the first two stages where you do next to nothing. DX
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Kayin on October 28, 2007, 02:26:32 pm
Current boss is my favorite. Then like.. Dracula, Tyson, Motherbrain, Clowncopter, Bird.

Hm, Maybe I should make clowncopters 'puff's go full screen to add more bite to the second form.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: McFrugal on October 29, 2007, 11:54:34 am
I haven't fought clowncopter or mother brain yet, but my current favorite would have to be Birdo.  The second and third stages are just so intense that once you get it down it feels extremely satisfying.

Dracula was kinda fun, but I found the choppy animation of the waveorbs made them strangely hard to predict, and I disliked how he would occasionally telefrag you.  Tyson was pretty neat too, although to be honest I was kinda stuck on his third phase until I looked at iwbtw.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Makaris on October 29, 2007, 12:04:42 pm
I feel the same about the wave-orbs.  When I saw those, it was basically over.  Dodging them is mostly a luck thing.  Hope you are in the right spot when they come out.  Luckily they are rather rare and won't lead to many deaths on their own.  It's only when you are doing well and they come out that they hurt.

Dracula could sometimes set you up for an unavoidable death, which can be frustrating.  Key is to just do your best to not get trapped in the corner.

Dracula was very fun overall.  Probably almost as good as Birdo.  It really the atmosphere of the Birdo fight that makes me happy. 
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Mr Roboto113 on November 04, 2007, 04:34:54 pm
I think everyone likes Birdo so much because he was a lot easier than the others.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: neodrakan on November 04, 2007, 06:34:49 pm
i think tyson is the greatest of all the bosses because everytime i hear the KO music i orgasm...
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Xylon Lionheart on November 05, 2007, 12:34:07 am
i think tyson is the greatest of all the bosses because everytime i hear the KO music i orgasm...

Well said, well said.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Senae on November 12, 2007, 11:41:34 pm
I have a soft spot for Tyson, mostly because I spent 45 minutes to an hour trying to get to the god damned game over room, that being pummled to death was a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Xylon Lionheart on November 13, 2007, 08:52:47 am
I have a soft spot for Tyson, mostly because I spent 45 minutes to an hour trying to get to the god damned game over room, that being pummled to death was a breath of fresh air.

That, and he's the easiest of the bosses?
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Senae on November 13, 2007, 09:16:54 am
That, and he's the easiest of the bosses?

I didn't think so, I had more trouble with him then clowncopter.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Xylon Lionheart on November 13, 2007, 07:54:48 pm
Oh good.  You're like me in the sense that you can get over that bowling ball without any trouble at all.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Bittersoul on November 13, 2007, 08:32:08 pm
I could actually do it easily at first.  But the longer the fight lasted, the more agitated I got.  And I found out that I was doing the last phase COMPLETELY wrong, so that shot the rest of my precision out the window (I have two tanks, Precision and Agitation, and only enough monitoring fluid to fill one.  As one fills the other empties.  It's a complicated balancing act).  I finally got it, but I've tried it again since with no problems jumping over the balls.

Dynamic, eh?
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: IammeoramI on November 29, 2007, 11:24:13 pm
 Tyson; so far being he was the most movable boss.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: JohnAnon on December 01, 2007, 01:35:56 am
Most fun: Dracula
Most epic: Mecha Birdo
Most WTF YOU CAN'T DO A FATAL KO IN A STREET FIGHTER GAME: Giant Zangief
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Kayin on December 01, 2007, 05:32:45 am
Thats what the kid gets for not having any stars.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: David on December 01, 2007, 11:23:35 pm
I thought the way Tyson just appeared through the sky was absolutely classic.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: finale on December 02, 2007, 03:21:43 am
Tyson's appearance was awesome. Although I haven't played against any but CC and Tyson, I've seen all but Dracula online(I suck that way, yes) And I do love em all. Zangief seems really static, though, and Mother Brain's lack of surprises was a bit of a letdown. Oh man, I hope Drac has an unfair second form, and it would be cool if it started by trying to telefrag you...
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Tristan on December 02, 2007, 03:29:23 am
I liked Mecha Birdo.  The music is just totally bacon.  I luff it.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Xylon Lionheart on December 02, 2007, 01:12:06 pm
Tyson's appearance was awesome. Although I haven't played against any but CC and Tyson, I've seen all but Dracula online(I suck that way, yes) And I do love em all. Zangief seems really static, though, and Mother Brain's lack of surprises was a bit of a letdown. Oh man, I hope Drac has an unfair second form, and it would be cool if it started by trying to telefrag you...

My guess is that the first way you'll die against Dracula will make you laugh and cry.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: finale on December 04, 2007, 11:14:39 pm
I heard of that one already, but I was just fondly remembering dying oh-so-many times to drac in Super CV IV, not due to his attacks, but because he'd appear on top of me.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: watkins on December 07, 2007, 12:15:41 am
Though this comment is only tangentially related to the topic, I found Dracula to be the worst boss (besides Zangief, perhaps, whose brokeness makes him a mere inconvenience).

The joy of most of the game is being presented with challenges that, at first glance, seem maddeningly difficult; and then, after some persistent trial and error, finding apparent impossibilities to be reliably conquerable.  With Dracula, however, victory seemed to depend more on waiting for Dracula to use the right attacks to allow you to destroy him.  While I'm sure that devoted players that gather here have little problem dealing with any attack thrown at them, most players will find that some attacks are much more likely to kill them than others.  If you play Dracula enough times, he will eventually use enough of his useless attacks in a row to allow you to dispatch him in relative safety.

Because there's so much luck involved, it feels like much less of an accomplishment to beat Dracula.  (Which is ironic, since he's much harder than Tyson, Clown Copter, Birdo, or Zangief.)
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Xylon Lionheart on December 07, 2007, 02:42:53 pm
Though this comment is only tangentially related to the topic, I found Dracula to be the worst boss (besides Zangief, perhaps, whose brokeness makes him a mere inconvenience).

The joy of most of the game is being presented with challenges that, at first glance, seem maddeningly difficult; and then, after some persistent trial and error, finding apparent impossibilities to be reliably conquerable.  With Dracula, however, victory seemed to depend more on waiting for Dracula to use the right attacks to allow you to destroy him.  While I'm sure that devoted players that gather here have little problem dealing with any attack thrown at them, most players will find that some attacks are much more likely to kill them than others.  If you play Dracula enough times, he will eventually use enough of his useless attacks in a row to allow you to dispatch him in relative safety.

Because there's so much luck involved, it feels like much less of an accomplishment to beat Dracula.  (Which is ironic, since he's much harder than Tyson, Clown Copter, Birdo, or Zangief.)

Yes, it is possible to get very lucky in terms of Dracula.  However the chances of you getting worthless attacks the entire time are relatively slim, not to mention the homing blobs of death add even more challenge to the second part of the fight.  If you can only beat Dracula by getting lucky, then shame on you for not learning how to adapt.  You probably wasted a lot more time waiting for an opportune battle than it would take to just learn how to dodge the hard attacks.  I personally love the Dracula fight for the very reason you hate it: you have no idea what to expect each time.  Out of all the bosses that you fight, Dracula is the one that you need to be paying attention to the most.  Heaven forbid you can't adapt a clear-cut strategy like in most of the other fights.

That being said, my two other favorite bosses might be Birdo and Zangief (assuming you don't cheat on Zangief) because they switch it up as well.  Birdo's differences really just stems to when you beat each form and how that affects the lasers/warheads in the final two stages.  Zangief, on the other hand, does have some randomness to his first and second forms that you have to contend with if you don't cheat on him.

I have two suggestions on what to do with the bosses: 1. Make it so Zangief needs to take more shots in his first two forms.  2. To make one of Dracula's attacks not as worthless, make the falling flames land on the steps rather than the floor below.  I'd suggest making it so the swirling apple attack made the apples swirl in a way that doesn't have the same apples fly in a clear-cut line, but I'm sure that would be too hard/not possible.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Niku on December 08, 2007, 02:23:02 am
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Spoiler.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: finale on December 08, 2007, 04:16:26 am
Man, Niku, you can be such an ass sometimes. Self esteem issues?
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Niku on December 08, 2007, 12:20:21 pm
THE FORUM IS FRAUGHT WITH TRAPS

JUST LIKE THE GAME
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: watkins on December 08, 2007, 02:51:16 pm
"You probably wasted a lot more time waiting for an opportune battle than it would take to just learn how to dodge the hard attacks.  I personally love the Dracula fight for the very reason you hate it: you have no idea what to expect each time.  Out of all the bosses that you fight, Dracula is the one that you need to be paying attention to the most.  Heaven forbid you can't adapt a clear-cut strategy like in most of the other fights."

I don't know where the probability calculation came from, but you're missing the point.  what I said was, "If you play Dracula enough times, he will eventually use enough of his useless attacks in a row to allow you to dispatch him in relative safety."  I didn't say anything about passively waiting for the correct sequence of attacks (whatever that would mean), or giving up when difficult attacks occur, or restarting until Dracula never uses certain attacks.  All I was saying was that Dracula's difficulty depends greatly on the sequence of attacks Dracula uses, and that easy sequences eventually occur, making it unnecessary to master Dracula the way the player must master other challenges.

Getting a favorable sequence of attacks from Dracula is something that occurs whether you're anticipating it or not, and it can happen without the player really appreciating that he/she has been cut a break.

Whether one should feel shame for not learning how to adapt is beside the point.  One doesn't have to learn to adapt to an attack sequence more difficult than the one he/she actually survives.  The hypothetical question of whether that player could have defeated a more difficult version of Dracula is irrelevant to the question of whether Dracula's widely varying difficulty is a flaw.

If defeating Dracula is a matter of personal pride, I suppose a player could continuously restart the battle until they feel that Dracula has been sufficiently difficult with them.  Most players, however, are more concerned with progressing through the game than supervising the enemy's strategy.  They will do their best to defeat Dracula every time they face him, and his difficulty will be different in each encounter.  Their eventual victories will depend on a mix of luck and skill.  I say that Dracula is the worst boss because luck plays too large a role in his battle.

Note that my objection had nothing to do with Dracula's use of different attacks; my point was not that Dracula needed to follow a particular sequence.  My objection was that Dracula's various attacks were not equally difficult to survive.  I don't agree that Dracula requires more attention than other bosses (none of his attacks are quick enough to take you by surprise), but that wasn't the basis for my complaint anyway.

Of course, I never said that I hated the Dracula.  I simply said that he was the second-to-worst boss. 
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Makaris on December 11, 2007, 11:18:21 am
Gotta say I agree with Watkins.  I'd like to see more of Dracula's attacks be harder to dodge.  Overall I wouldn't mind it if the overall battle was more difficult.  Only thing I'd like to see toned down would be when he throws several tracking attacks one after the other and you end up herded into the corner and he TP's right on top of you.  Feels like you got robbed.  Not a huge complaint, granted.

However, nerf the damn white bouncing ball thingies.  Those are a BITCH.  Everything could be 50% harder and I'd be okay with it if only those damn balls were more managable.  I die nearly everytime because they aren't frequent enough to learn, so it's always WTF when they come out.

I like how there is general inconsitency in what bosses people prefer.  There isn't one obvious "best" or "worst" boss.  Variety enough for everyones tastes (if you can get to them, that is).
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Saiai on December 11, 2007, 05:16:52 pm
I just beat dracula, yaayyy~
Now I can have an opinion on this fight. >_>
To be honest, I didn't have too much trouble with his homing attacks... Like Mak said, the white balls are tough. It's not because they don't have a predictable pattern, but overall they're a lot less smooth than the others.
It was my favorite boss so far though. With Tyson and Mecha-Birdo it just feels like "PATTERN FAILURE" but because Dracula's so adaptive it takes more thought, particularly with managing the ectoplasms. He doesn't seem just straight-out difficult, it's more like EPIC BATTLE.
Besides, managing to dodge both ectos and a seeking-fireball AND the triple-fireball at the same time makes you feel confident. >_>
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Kayin on December 11, 2007, 05:19:47 pm
Dracula for me as the creator is a battle of positioning. YOU CAN GET FUCKED, but you probably won't if you play the smart and patient game and be safe. You have to respond quickly to things and it's generally just pretty neat.

I think I'm going to try and change the double ball to be a smoother animation though. I generally don't have a problem with it, but it can catch me off guard, especially yesterday when an ectoplasm gave me no escape.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: A Wheaten Buying on December 11, 2007, 08:09:15 pm
Dracula

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Because the various attacks combine together really well to make a great boss fight. I mean you have the whole floor set on fire and then pretty much most of the other attacks such as the moon or the three pairs of cherries are that little bit more dastardly to avoid and then you have the cherry that chases you  usually followed by those crazy wave orbs. No other boss in the entire game combines their attacks to make varying attack patterns like Dracula does


....on another note. The Guy is annoying me. He has a lot of tricks up his cape
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Xylon Lionheart on December 11, 2007, 11:05:52 pm
Dracula

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Because the various attacks combine together really well to make a great boss fight. I mean you have the whole floor set on fire and then pretty much most of the other attacks such as the moon or the three pairs of cherries are that little bit more dastardly to avoid and then you have the cherry that chases you  usually followed by those crazy wave orbs. No other boss in the entire game combines their attacks to make varying attack patterns like Dracula does


....on another note. The Guy is annoying me. He has a lot of tricks up his cape

How far have you gotten?
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: A Wheaten Buying on December 12, 2007, 08:43:02 am
Well I've gotten as far as him shooting very large bullets at me and I reckon I've sussed the attack pattern of the second stage of this boss but haven't quite cracked it yet. I've also broken the left arrow key onmy keyboard so I'm having issues. May have to alter the controls.

This is just on hard mode by the way. Is there any sort of save point that means I don't have to climb up the bloody tower each time!!?
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Xylon Lionheart on December 12, 2007, 11:06:37 am
Well I've gotten as far as him shooting very large bullets at me and I reckon I've sussed the attack pattern of the second stage of this boss but haven't quite cracked it yet. I've also broken the left arrow key onmy keyboard so I'm having issues. May have to alter the controls.

This is just on hard mode by the way. Is there any sort of save point that means I don't have to climb up the bloody tower each time!!?

Yes.  Shoot the Evil Savebox.
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: the player on December 12, 2007, 12:56:09 pm
gotta be the dragon for megaman 2. While i loved all the old games megaman 2 is my favourite and it was like my past coming back at me after 16 years to see if ive trained enough to deal with its stronger form!
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: A Wheaten Buying on December 12, 2007, 01:07:37 pm
Yeah I shot the thing out of frustration and I found the save anyway. I'm glad I did otherwise the ascent would have deterred me from trying to finish the game. It'd definitely need to be in some sort of Donkey Kong credits style cast listing as the Evil Save
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: tealgamemaster on June 26, 2009, 01:47:00 pm
i agree mecha birdo
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: Deliciousfruit233 on June 27, 2009, 02:21:48 am
I liked The Guy's second form, even though it was hard as hell.  It was fun weaving through the teeth and fireballs and shooting the homing globs.  And didn't I already create a thread for this? :spikes:
Title: Re: "Best" Boss
Post by: TehAbovePostra on June 27, 2009, 04:02:17 pm
Definitely Kraidgait (The Green dude who looks like mister T)

Mainly because he is the glitchiest boss in the game.