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Title: This game makes me sad
Post by: Ben7el on January 24, 2008, 01:07:24 am
When I first started thinking of how to type this post up, I thought of a long string of images with the text "FUCK YOU SOOOOO HARRRDDD!!!" and other things in them, then I realized that that would be ineffective on many levels, plus it has probably been done before.

So I thought, and I came up with this thread.

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b35/Ben7el/capture_23012008_233436.jpg)

Do you see that right there, that section of spikes?

That is some of the worst game design In this game, some may ask "How do you, a person with no study in Game Design know this is bad?"

Because that section right there made me quit the game and made me sad, of course I wasn't sad at first, first I was annoyed, then angry, then pissed off, but then it turned to just sadness and I made myself get to that area and then I quit. I enjoyed the moon randomly falling on me because it was a hard puzzle that I got closer to finishing every single time I died(Seriously that was brilliant), I was fine with beating Mike Tysor FOUR times because of beating him then falling through the floor/ messing up a save, I was annoyed when a bug made me replay the first 20 minutes of the game twice, but I got through it and enjoyed the game.

But that fucking spike corridor, I spent at least an hour and a half on and have not made one single inch of progress since the 30 minute mark, I have died a total of 526 in the game and at least half are from that corridor. That corridor take pixel fucking perfect jumps, which is completely insane because The Kid handles like a truck. I even used the walkthrough(which calls for you to jump over a 'upward' spike which I couldn't figure out if he meant the ones facing upwards or the ones on the ceiling) and I still couldn't beat it. In the paraphrased words of Eela6 "You would think that because Arther can take 2 hits and the kid can take 1, it would be twice as easy, but its around 17 times harder."

So instead of just whining, I have a suggestion


(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b35/Ben7el/capture_23012008_233522.jpg)


You see those two spikes there at the end that our on the ceiling?

Please remove them.

You can keep everything else the same, just remove those please two spikes, I really want to enjoy this game, it seems witty and fun, but those spikes killed it for me.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Dagnarok on January 24, 2008, 01:12:53 am
Haven't known someone yet who says they've been able to clear that with ease their first time around.

Everyone has trouble with that section (I still do).  But since Kayin isn't going to remove them anytime soon, you'll have to time it right.  Yes, it's a bitch to pull off (ask anyone), but that's the only way to do it.

Perhaps if you'll reconsider, I'll advise you on when to clear those last two spikes;

: show
Double-jump to the right quickly when the last two spikes head up, and always move toward the right.  Jump up when you reach the tombstones because they'll fall on you and kill you if you're not careful.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Ghost on January 24, 2008, 01:45:59 am
That is what I thought when I first saw that section.

I thought it was impossible, and took the greatest of luck to jump and hope that one made it. But, after realizing that it would be stupid, I just stood there for a minute or so, looking up and down on those spikes as they moved at *what was thought to be* an insane speed. Now, I clear them with no mindless attempts.

Point being, this game is made to piss people off.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: dsk on January 24, 2008, 10:22:37 am
This game is ALL down to patterns. Except maybe Dracula.
And the spike corridor, I came to a conclusion, is not THAT hard. It's just freaks the player out by have big spikes moving up and down FAST.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: MaxX on January 24, 2008, 01:30:40 pm
"poor game design" is probably your way of saying "nerf plz".

Stop sucking your thumb and either play the game, or don't. It's really not as hard as you make it out to be.

You guys (as in all of you people complaining about the game being too hard) should play some other recent games like Contra 4, i'd be interested in seeing what you have to say about the way that game treats you until you know it like the back of your hand.

It's called challenge, don't like it? Go back to using your action replay on pokemon and going to gamefaqs for every possible thing you need to make yourselves feel big.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Kayin on January 24, 2008, 01:51:58 pm
Pfft, thats not bad game design! The game is meant to be hard! Whats bad game design is having the next 2 screens ALSO be hard! Ho ho ho...
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: MaxX on January 24, 2008, 01:53:52 pm
The second screen after that needs more thriller and slightly faster moving platforms, imo.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Boco on January 24, 2008, 03:07:19 pm
Pfft, thats not bad game design! The game is meant to be hard! Whats bad game design is having the next 2 screens ALSO be hard! Ho ho ho...
I quit playing for 2 weeks because of that one fucking screen.  That screen ate multiple hours of my life.  The next screens are a joke, they're easier than a few other screens in the game.  But this screen is the hardest one in the entire game.

I'm fighting The Guy right now, and the only thing keeping me going is "at least I didn't have to walk through a spike corridor to get here".

Hardest parts in the game: this screen, which is impossible without divine guidance, and the Mother Brain, where if you mess up it's your own fault and therefore is fair.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Kitty on January 24, 2008, 03:08:32 pm
This corridor made me quit the game for a month.

I came back all calm and beat it in less than 10 tries.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Chronomaster on January 24, 2008, 03:43:08 pm
It's funny, because you have to pass it a few times to actually get it. It's one of the few parts of the game that doesn't click the first time around.
: show
Probably because you get tombstone'd right after.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: SmashFiles on January 24, 2008, 03:56:48 pm
The birds hate me more than the spikes do...
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Neo on January 24, 2008, 05:12:06 pm
That screens not even too hard anymore, just wait, you haven't seen anything yet. Be patient and you can pass any obstacle the game throws out at you. The worst spike corridor in my opinion is not that one, but
: show
the path to tourian, and the room after clown copter

Oh, by the way, it's not over after that last set of spikes. You only THINK it is.

Bad memories.

Kayin has gone to no length to nerf the evil in this game. Except having save points.

Also, WUSS. (couldnt resist. :))
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Kayin on January 24, 2008, 05:16:43 pm
Thats one of those screens thats fairly easy if you're good... But if you're trying to brute force your way through, it's going to suck.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Tamua on January 24, 2008, 05:58:43 pm
I actually found the screen above it to be more annoying o.O That's the one part where I got slightly angry...
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Dagnarok on January 24, 2008, 06:53:25 pm
I actually found the screen above it to be more annoying o.O That's the one part where I got slightly angry...

Agreed. :P
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Ben7el on January 24, 2008, 07:06:51 pm
I just spent another hour trying to beat this corridor, and I made an amazing half of an inch progress, just as I was about to sit down and right this post I made it.

Then I reflexivity hit reset.

Still, I was elated that I made it and tried again, ten minutes later I made it again.

Then I hit 'R' again.

I still say those last two spikes should be removed, but I am going to get past this part, but I am not having fun with it and if you want, I could explain more why, I just want to clear the corridor right now though.

Edit: Fuck yes I made it and saved.

fuck yes so hard.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Tamua on January 24, 2008, 07:08:12 pm
Things start out being a pain in the ass...but then they get easier...you just have to not take it so damn seriously o.O
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Dagnarok on January 24, 2008, 07:11:24 pm
Things start out being a pain in the ass...but then they get easier...you just have to not take it so damn seriously o.O

If you ever make it to Dracula....  Have fun. :D
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Tamua on January 24, 2008, 07:12:19 pm
Dracula is probably the only exception...he's a bastard...with him your only chance is to get lucky...
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Dagnarok on January 24, 2008, 07:13:27 pm
Or you can button-mash like the Apocalypse is coming. :P
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Ben7el on January 24, 2008, 07:17:08 pm
I have to ask, is falling through moving platforms a feature or a bug, because it made getting to Mike Tyson hell.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Dagnarok on January 24, 2008, 07:18:48 pm
Glitch.

I don't have the newer version (RC2), so I don't know how bad it may be.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Tamua on January 24, 2008, 07:19:48 pm
It happens more frequently if your comp is lagging...
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Ben7el on January 24, 2008, 07:25:56 pm
Well it only happens when I am on the edge of the platform and moving, I have the Slo-mo version and I shouldn't be lagging, its making the next part difficult though.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: SmashFiles on January 24, 2008, 07:26:59 pm
It happens even more in RC2, or at least in my RC2... I like RC1 the most, almost no bugs (except the miketyson and plane) and the controls didnt change, the rate he moves and jumps slightly change in RC2...

Edit: ninjad
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Shazarava on January 24, 2008, 08:51:44 pm
When I first started thinking of how to type this post up, I thought of a long string of images with the text "FUCK YOU SOOOOO HARRRDDD!!!" and other things in them, then I realized that that would be ineffective on many levels, plus it has probably been done before.

So I thought, and I came up with this thread.

Do you see that right there, that section of spikes?

That is some of the worst game design In this game, some may ask "How do you, a person with no study in Game Design know this is bad?"

Because that section right there made me quit the game and made me sad, of course I wasn't sad at first, first I was annoyed, then angry, then pissed off, but then it turned to just sadness and I made myself get to that area and then I quit. I enjoyed the moon randomly falling on me because it was a hard puzzle that I got closer to finishing every single time I died(Seriously that was brilliant), I was fine with beating Mike Tysor FOUR times because of beating him then falling through the floor/ messing up a save, I was annoyed when a bug made me replay the first 20 minutes of the game twice, but I got through it and enjoyed the game.

But that fucking spike corridor, I spent at least an hour and a half on and have not made one single inch of progress since the 30 minute mark, I have died a total of 526 in the game and at least half are from that corridor. That corridor take pixel fucking perfect jumps, which is completely insane because The Kid handles like a truck. I even used the walkthrough(which calls for you to jump over a 'upward' spike which I couldn't figure out if he meant the ones facing upwards or the ones on the ceiling) and I still couldn't beat it. In the paraphrased words of Eela6 "You would think that because Arther can take 2 hits and the kid can take 1, it would be twice as easy, but its around 17 times harder."

So instead of just whining, I have a suggestion

You see those two spikes there at the end that our on the ceiling?

Please remove them.

You can keep everything else the same, just remove those please two spikes, I really want to enjoy this game, it seems witty and fun, but those spikes killed it for me.


Wuss.We all whent through it, if we can, you can to.Yeah I HATED IT, but when i finally got through it i was happy as FUCK and i mean it.I almost cried with joy, seriously.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: SmashFiles on January 24, 2008, 08:55:29 pm
Its actually quite simple, if you know how.
Wait until the last bottem spike is completely gone for about, .3 of a second. Than you jump to the right, even if i looks like your going to die keep going, just watch out for the tombstone. and be sure to get the save...
wuss.
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: Shazarava on January 24, 2008, 09:00:40 pm
Its actually quite simple, if you know how.
Wait until the last bottem spike is completely gone for about, .3 of a second. Than you jump to the right, even if i looks like your going to die keep going, just watch out for the tombstone. and be sure to get the save...
wuss.

.3 of a second isn't hard to time at all. ::)
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: SmashFiles on January 24, 2008, 09:06:22 pm
Its actually quite simple, if you know how.
Wait until the last bottem spike is completely gone for about, .3 of a second. Than you jump to the right, even if i looks like your going to die keep going, just watch out for the tombstone. and be sure to get the save...
wuss.

.3 of a second isn't hard to time at all. ::)
Not when you have an atomic stop watch stuck in your head from an experiment gone wrong.  ;D
Title: Re: This game makes me sad
Post by: dsk on January 24, 2008, 09:47:52 pm
@Shazarava: Don't quote posts with big pics. Clutters up the thread.