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Title: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Kyper on February 04, 2008, 12:06:36 am
I wonder what everyone's strategy is for taking down all the bosses. I'd like to share mine, but rather than clog up the leaderboard thread, I decided to make a separate topic. So, here are my methods. I'm sure they're not the best, but I think they'll fetch some solid times. If anyone's confused then I'll try to describe a little more, or even provide a video if necessary.

I guess I'll start off with the timer first. Once you pass this line, the timer will start:
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/700/timestartxu2.png)
So, by jumping as far as you can before crossing the line, you can save up to a little more than one second of time if you choose one of the top 3 bosses. If you decide to pick a top boss (Dragon Devil, The Guy), you can hit their icon at 0:00:11. The one below that (Drac, Kraidgief) can yield a time of 0:00:20.

If you don't really care for saving a second (and yeah, it's kinda screwy anyway), walking to one of the top 3 bosses will get you 0:01:15. The bottom bosses will get you 0:01:21.

Alright, with that out of the way, let's get to the boss strats. Starting from the upper left and going counter-clockwise...

Dragon Devil:
: show

HP: 50
-to 1st crossover attack: 10
-to 2nd crossover: 15
-to 3rd crossover: 25

The key to getting a low time seems to lie in making the dragon cross over three times with no breaks in between. This means that once you do the initial block jumping, the dragon will open its mouth and breathe fire 4 times. After, it'll execute its 3 cross overs and then you'll jump over the blocks again to finish the dragon off.

I haven't quite mastered it yet, but what I try to do is stand on the upper left block. I avoid the fireballs by jumping in place. The first time the dragon opens its mouth, I hit it about 5 times. If you hit it too much at this point, it will start its first cross over. After this, I hit it as much as I can on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th points of attack.


Dracula:
: show

HP: 32
-before summoning ectoplasm: 13
-after summoning ectoplasm: 19

This guy is random, so you'll need a little luck. I usually start with Dracula when doing a full boss rush for this reason alone. You'll want to get this guy down in two passes. The first time he teleports in, you should be able to hit him enough to get those purple ectoplasms to appear. The second time, you should be able to finish him off.

2 things are needed to take Dracula down quickly: a favorable attack pattern and a position near the middle. Favorable attacks would be the fire and the apple spam (you'll have plenty of time to hit him before he starts to fill the screen with apples). The reason you want Dracula near the middle is so that your bullets don't have to travel so far before you can fire again.

It seems to be possible to take Dracula out with one attack phase, provided you meet a few conditions. First off, Dracula needs to use his apple spam attack. Second, Dracula needs to be somewhat close to the middle. Lastly, you'll need to MASH MASH MASH! I've done it with autofire, but I haven't pulled it off yet normally (I've come somewhat close...).

Vid of destroying Dracula by some random dude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMBvEOrRIKc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMBvEOrRIKc)


Clown Copter:
: show

HP: ~70   (tildes denote approximation)
-Bowser: N/A (1 if you count the bomb)
-Wart: ~50
-Wily: ~20

There's not much you can do to lower your time against Bowser or Wart. At least for Wart, you can lower your time somewhat by getting as close as possible to the bullet and jumping up to hit the middle section (the bullets will travel less distance here).

As for Wily, you should be able to take him out with only one bowling ball. Stay as close as possible, and jump up to decrease your bullets' traveling distance. Jump over it and start shooting again and Wily should be down as the bowling ball exits to the left of the screen. It might even be possible to take out Wily as the bowling ball passes the middle of the screen.

*Clown Copter room glitch: As of recent updates, the max bullet count increase bug was fixed...somewhat (http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/forums/index.php?topic=494.0). Anyway, to do this glitch, stand on the ground and keep firing at the left side of the screen. You should notice that your max bullet count is more than 3 (yeah, why is this room limited to 3 bullets anyway?). However, DO NOT STOP FIRING! If you stop firing, your bullet count will fix itself back to 3. How does this glitch help? Well, it takes Wart down slightly faster, but its major use is against Wily. With this, it's possible to take him out before the bowling ball even starts rolling.

Vid of crushing the Clown Copter by some random dude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78s_u7TAaGk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78s_u7TAaGk)


Tyson:
: show

HP: 15
-each KO: 5

I guess it's obvious to everyone that you'll KO Tyson each time he opens his mouth. What you can do to lower your time a bit is just simple timing. Lure Tyson toward one end of the screen, and then time it so that as he opens his mouth, your bullets will already be in position. Also try jumping into him so your bullets travel a short distance.

Vid of taking out Tyson by MaxX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIu_4nbdxHk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIu_4nbdxHk)


The Guy:
: show

HP: 48
-first attack phase (gun, firebomb, running): 30
-second attack phase (big bullets): 14
-third attack phase (ricocheting bullets): 4 ricocheted bullets

Fire 4 shots straight at The Guy, and then drop down and get into a position where you're close to the left side and where you'll avoid his fire attack. When The Guy jumps over to the left side, jump up and fire. He'll drop down soon after, so let him have it.

He'll head back to the right side, so jump on the left side and fire 2 streams of shots. Avoid his big bullet spreads. The Guy will make his way to the left platform, so wait for him to come. As he jumps on top, jump over him, turn around and blast him. This part is a little tricky, 'cause he'll immediately charge to the middle to start his final attack. You'll need to play with this a little to find a safe spot to avoid contact collision death. Try to blast him as you avoid his 2 spread shots, and then immediately drop down. Quickly pump The Guy full of lead to force him into his next attack pattern. After this, finish him off by reflecting 4 bullets back at him. Make sure to jump up to grab the gun to shave off a little time. (thanks to the speedster himself Cauldrath for his vid)

Vid of greasing The Guy by Cauldrath: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqXg4J4rpz0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqXg4J4rpz0)


Kraidgief:
: show

HP: ~115 (tildes denote approximation)
-first attack phase: 15
-second attack phase: 10
-third attack phase: ~90

Kraidgief glitch. 'Nuff said. Actually, I don't know how to pull it off in the newer release builds. Someone wanna fill this in for me, or at least give some hints? At any rate, there's a little luck involved in getting lower times. His first attack pattern should be easy enough to blaze through.

For his second pattern, though, make sure you don't repel Kraidgief too far away; you don't want your bullets to waste time traveling a long distance and you don't want Kraidgief taking any more time than necessary to get into position for his third attack pattern. Now, here's where luck plays its minor role. Kraidgief has 3 attacks: hadoken, headbutt, and walk-in. I haven't explored this a lot, but I think the hadoken's the favorable attack. If you hit him enough in the first phase, you'll only need him to launch one hadoken. Whatever the case, the walk-in attack is the slowest.

As Kraidgief does his spinning lariat, jump up and follow the bottom of his fist carefully. Get as close as you can without making contact with him. Once he stops, immediately jump and fire at his head. If you drained enough HP in the first attack phase, you should be able to skip the second phase. (thanks to Ruzy for suggesting this)

Finally, the third attack. Before you hit the second Blanka platform, keep shooting at Kraidgief. If you're lucky, the bullets that ricochet will hit his head. But if you're unlucky, your max bullet count my be reduced. When you get to the second platform, you should be able to jump up 3 times and fire at his head. Any more and the fourth platform will appear instead of the third one.


Mother Brain:
: show

HP: 112
-each barrier: 19     
   *4 barriers: 76
-the brain (including glass): 36

Immediately start firing to the left at the first barrier. Remember that you can stand right beside the barriers by jumping into them. If the timing's right, you should be able to cross through the top area safely. Take out the second barrier, and then walk to the next screen.

Here, sometimes the top turret will act differently. It will either fire twice in succession, or fire once and then start aiming at you. Wait for the right time to cross and then take out the two barriers. From here, concentrate on attacking Mother Brain while staying alive. Remember that the rinkas (circle thingys) will spawn in intervals, and with the beginning of each interval, it will travel to your last position. Try to lure them to a favorable position while staying close as possible to Mother Brain.

*Mother Brain safe spot: Well, it's not exactly a safe area to stand in as both the turret and rinkas can get you, but this is a prime location for taking out Mother Brain. After its glass is broken, there is a very small area where you can stand on (it'll look like you're falling though). If you reach this area, you can fire away without delay.

Vid of mashing the Mother Brain by some random dude: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SoWlK8ARZfE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=SoWlK8ARZfE)


Mecha Birdo:
: show

HP: ~50 (tildes denote approximation)
-antenna: ~30
-eyes: 15
-mouth: ~5

First off, if you're using the slowdown build (or your CPU is being stressed, fs or slo-mo), Mecha Birdo's eggs will follow a different pattern. I have no idea whether this can be manipulated into an advantage. Whatever the case may be, I'll describe the 'normal' pattern.

You'll want to get to the third egg that Mecha Birdo fires. It should be the highest of the first three. Stand at the middle of the top platform, and wait until the antenna is able to be hit. Fire at it, jumping twice at first, then stand, and then finish it off with a jumping attack. You might be tempted to jump into it to finish it off, but don't. It'll leave you in a bad position to attack Mecha Birdo's eyes. Just stay on the egg you're already on.

Fire 4 shots at Mecha Birdo's eyes, and then jump toward the right. Stay to the right as much as possible. Once the eyes are gone, keep to the right and fire at the mouth. Time your jumps so that you're in position when the eggs come out. The eggs appear slightly ahead of Mecha Birdo, so you'll avoid the warhead tip if you're in the right spot.

Vid of mutilating Mecha Birdo by MaxX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-hjTbayw3g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-hjTbayw3g)



Feel free to post questions or criticism (I'm sure there'll be a lot of this) you may have, and share your own strategies if you want!

EDIT BY dsk: New info from Dr. Tran

DRACULA
stage one results: 13, 13, 13
stage two results: 15, 16, 18
stage three results: 1, 1, 1

So you guys who keep saying it takes 50-60 shots to kill Dracula are very wrong.



Tyson: 5 shots for every stage. There were no discrepancies in the trials

Devil Dragon:
Each race has 11 blocks
Stage one results: 10, 11, 10, 10, 10
Stage two results: 15, 16, 16
Stage three results: 26, 26, 24

Note: Extra shots on one stage will count towards the next

THE GUY
stage 1: 30, 30,33
stage 2: 14, 13, 14
stage 3: 4, 4, 4

Note: Form 2 hitpoints were not tested since it is not fought in the boss rush and I felt too lazy


COPTER CLOWN
Bowser (hits on the bomb-omb): 3, 3, 3
Wart (hits on Banzai Bullet): <to be tested later>
Wiley: 18, 18, 18
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: dsk on February 04, 2008, 12:44:04 am
Nice guide.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Rad on February 04, 2008, 01:25:18 am
YESSSS!!!
i was mentioned.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: romscout on February 04, 2008, 01:48:44 am
Good guide. I have yet to download this new version. :(

Once I get my laptop back I will. I'd love doing a speed run of boss rush. And yes, damn right I'd be referring to this guide again.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Kyper on February 05, 2008, 05:27:45 pm
I added demo videos of Clown Copter and Dracula. The Clown Copter vid shows it being destroyed with and without the use of the max bullet count glitch.  The vid of Dracula shows him being taken down in only 2 attack phases. I've also added a little tidbit on taking out Dracula with only 1 attack phase.

I guess I'll try to get a demo of the Dragon Devil triple cross over, but I'll need to use my webcam. When I record with Camtasia, it sorta skips my shot inputs when I mash. VirtualDub doesn't strain my CPU as much (hmm, maybe it's my choice of codec?). I hope it captures at a decent quality though so it'll be useful to others. I tried capturing some Megamari footage like this. The camera only captures at 20 FPS, but I added a motion blur filter and it looked okay.

Maybe I'll add boss HP. As finale stated in the leaderboard thread, if nothing else it's a nice thing to have. Heh, perhaps a certain someone would be kind enough to provide us with this info?

And I still can't figure out how to pull off the Kraidgief glitch. I think that with the Kraidgief glitch, a time of 6 min might be possible. Well, I still have to do the math though...
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: shatteredfox on February 05, 2008, 09:12:23 pm
I added demo videos of Clown Copter and Dracula. The Clown Copter vid shows it being destroyed with and without the use of the max bullet count glitch.  The vid of Dracula shows him being taken down in only 2 attack phases. I've also added a little tidbit on taking out Dracula with only 1 attack phase.

I guess I'll try to get a demo of the Dragon Devil triple cross over, but I'll need to use my webcam. When I record with Camtasia, it sorta skips my shot inputs when I mash. VirtualDub doesn't strain my CPU as much (hmm, maybe it's my choice of codec?). I hope it captures at a decent quality though so it'll be useful to others. I tried capturing some Megamari footage like this. The camera only captures at 20 FPS, but I added a motion blur filter and it looked okay.

Maybe I'll add boss HP. As finale stated in the leaderboard thread, if nothing else it's a nice thing to have. Heh, perhaps a certain someone would be kind enough to provide us with this info?

And I still can't figure out how to pull off the Kraidgief glitch. I think that with the Kraidgief glitch, a time of 6 min might be possible. Well, I still have to do the math though...

Hey by any chance are you Godofnopants? If so are you still doing those impossible runs because you got far lol
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: dsk on February 05, 2008, 09:46:27 pm
Would be really interesting to have exact HP values. We need to ask Kayin that.

Also, fox, <3 you sig.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: shatteredfox on February 05, 2008, 09:49:26 pm
Would be really interesting to have exact HP values. We need to ask Kayin that.

Also, fox, <3 you sig.

your quote pyramid or the little thing about looking up words. =D
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: dsk on February 05, 2008, 09:50:50 pm
Both.

Also, change "fruit" to "giant cherry" os something. If you mean IWBTG.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Rad on February 05, 2008, 11:28:35 pm
i still call them apples.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: dsk on February 05, 2008, 11:40:20 pm
Everyone does. But Kayin says they're giant cherries, so they're giant cherries.

Also, 1000th post.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Dagnarok on February 05, 2008, 11:42:57 pm
Also, 1000th post.

IT'S OVER 1,000!!!   WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Rad on February 05, 2008, 11:45:50 pm
actually its only 1000.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Dagnarok on February 05, 2008, 11:48:57 pm
I would have said 9,000 but I can't even fathom one person actually getting accomplishing that, so meh. :P
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: dsk on February 05, 2008, 11:51:54 pm
I saw some forums with members with over 10000 posts.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Dagnarok on February 05, 2008, 11:53:26 pm
And I know what forums you're talking about. :P  I'm (in my above post) referring to in here. ;p
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Kyper on February 06, 2008, 07:21:22 pm
Yay for thread derail!

I added in hit point values for each of the bosses, including the number of hits they take before they enter their next attack phase. Some are approximations, but I think they're accurate enough. I also formatted the guide a little so that one can find the description for a specific boss more easily.

Hey by any chance are you Godofnopants? If so are you still doing those impossible runs because you got far lol

No, that's not me. I do have 2 impossible runs posted, but I'm sure they're much worse than the ones you're talking about.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Kitty on February 07, 2008, 11:46:45 pm
I saw some forums with members with over 10000 posts.
You think that's alot? Pfft. (http://forums.keenspot.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=30381)
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: dsk on February 09, 2008, 05:49:39 pm
That's just silly.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: shatteredfox on February 10, 2008, 06:43:24 pm
I saw some forums with members with over 10000 posts.

A forum I go to everyone has no life(granted the forum is very old.)

2nd top poster Chii-chan (147382)

the top poster doesn't count since he changed his changed his post number to 1 million.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: dsk on February 10, 2008, 07:17:40 pm
Back on topic.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: MarcoRossi101 on February 24, 2008, 02:45:29 pm
good job on making the Guide.









 :kid: +  :fruit: or  :kid: +  :spikes: Either way they both = Bloody Pixel and Anger.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Bukkake Ninna on February 26, 2008, 01:19:20 pm
Helps for newbies like myself too get alittle prepared for faceing these bosses.

Good guide :D
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Krimsin on March 06, 2008, 03:21:25 pm
i managed to take out kraidgief on his first phase by just shooting like mad into his face as soon as he appears. he just skipped right ahead to his last phase and started shooting those wierd rocket guys - into the floor. GG kraidgief. SO yeah it basically just let me stand there and pump rounds into his face. Thanks, God.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Kyper on March 07, 2008, 10:18:10 pm
Yup, that's the infamous Kraidgief glitch. I still can't get it to work. Did you pull this off in the newer releases?

Also, The Guy and Kraidgief sections have been updated. I have added Cauldrath's vid of The Guy and changed the guide content accordingly. I have also added a great tip for Kraidgief, courtesy of Ruzy.
Title: Re: Boss rush guide thingy
Post by: Dagnarok on June 27, 2008, 02:11:57 pm
Thread stickied due to increased interest. :P
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Orforf on June 28, 2008, 01:12:26 am
Thanks alot for this guide! Helped me alot for some of the boss battles, good job!
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Yule on June 30, 2008, 12:08:41 am
Holy crap, this is great.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: ybbald on June 30, 2008, 12:16:34 am
Who got the hp stats for the other bosses? I only did 5 before I had to go/ got too lazy and bored.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: OlDirty601 on July 01, 2008, 08:12:50 pm
Does anyone know about the Kradgief invincibility glitch?  I used it to beat him it made it too easy.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Dagnarok on July 01, 2008, 08:55:25 pm
Old news.  And it's possible to do it in the game that inspired the boss. :P
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Yule on July 02, 2008, 12:16:53 am
Does anyone know about the Kradgief invincibility glitch?  I used it to beat him it made it too easy.
Is this the glitch or something else?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Dagnarok on July 02, 2008, 12:25:55 am
I think it is.  The 2nd half of the sentence tells me that. ;p
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Dragon_Yellow_Devil on July 14, 2008, 07:49:20 pm
Guuuhhh, Can someone help me with Dragon Devil? He is pretty hard, the strategies aren't helping either....  >:(  :fruit:
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Majikthise on August 10, 2008, 02:49:01 am
How do I beat Kraidgreif? The guide assumes you already know how to beat him and just want to do it quickly.

I can get through the first attack phase fine (up until he does the spinning jump thing). Then I follow him up, occasionally I'll be high enough to shoot him after he does that hadouken attack. How do you avoid the attack where he grabs you and jumps into the spikes and crushes you? I always get caught by that. Also, where do you have to be to avoid his knee attack? Cheers.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Koppis on August 10, 2008, 02:56:46 am
That weird attack happens when you go too down or something.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Ryu6833 on August 10, 2008, 03:46:35 am
If you stay on the bottom left and don't move and let him come towards you, he will do his spinning piledriver if you don't shoot him. As for his knee attack, I assume you're talking about his headbutt, just jump to the end of the platform on the left to avoid it.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Majikthise on August 11, 2008, 03:56:48 am
How do you do the Kraidgrief glitch by the way? Not the classiest way to beat him but I just wanna finish the game and I don't really care how I do it. So far it seems pretty random whether Kraidgrief will be easy up the top or just do some weird move that I have no chance of avoiding, so it's pretty rare for me to actually get up to the 3rd attack phase where he shoots ... things at you. I'm assuming that I can stand on them, but so far I haven't got up to that stage often enough to get the timing downpat. This is the fourth boss I'm up to btw, not just starting with his path.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Koppis on August 11, 2008, 06:51:54 am
: show
k
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: dsk on August 11, 2008, 10:58:47 am
What the fuck?
What was that post for?
Unless you give me a VERY good reason, first warning for ya

EDIT: 'k then. Try to articulate your post next time to avoid confusion with simple "k", short for OK.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Koppis on August 11, 2008, 11:57:10 am
Uh,
How do you do the Kraidgrief glitch by the way?



Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Rad on August 11, 2008, 11:59:32 am
I think it was o, and plus that was in an older version.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Dagnarok on August 11, 2008, 12:01:46 pm
I swear the first time I saw that, I was certain that Majikthise was reffering to
: show
mashing the shoot button until Kraidgief glitches into his final phase.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Koppis on August 11, 2008, 12:16:49 pm
: show
K works in latest version
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on August 11, 2008, 06:09:50 pm
I havn't fought Kraidgief yet. How hard is he compaired to some of the other bosses.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: dsk on August 11, 2008, 06:17:42 pm
Harder than MB, easier than MB.

Wait...
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on August 12, 2008, 01:29:51 am
Mecha Birdo was never very tough imo (easier then tyson >.<) so that doesn't say much.... :P
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: dsk on August 12, 2008, 05:53:32 am
The second MB is Mother Brain.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on August 12, 2008, 04:14:26 pm
The second MB is Mother Brain.

Oh, lol, k.

I've never fought brain either...  ???

Are they harder then Dracula? (Hardest boss so far BY FAR)
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Mohak on August 12, 2008, 04:18:28 pm
: show
in the intro, press b : it will skip to boss rush, try out any boss u want

read the spoiler evan
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on August 12, 2008, 04:23:20 pm
: show
in the intro, press b : it will skip to boss rush, try out any boss u want

read the spoiler evan

COOL IT WORKS!!!!

: show
The Guy and Drac even have their cutscenes! And Kraidgief died when I pressed K! And I pwned Mecha Birdo again!  ;D


Thanks for this. :)
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: dsk on August 12, 2008, 10:10:14 pm
Mother Brain is by far the most annoying, but I think Dracula takes the cake for more difficult. He's fucking random.

(in first playing, mind this)
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on August 13, 2008, 01:04:11 am
Mother Brain is by far the most annoying, but I think Dracula takes the cake for more difficult. He's fucking random.

(in first playing, mind this)

Teleport on top of you much?

That happens to me SOOOOOO much when I fight him.

Here are they way I see the bosses:

: show
Tyson: The first boss. Easy by defult.
Mecha Birdo: That one boss everyone has trouble with but isn't really that hard.
Dracula: The "I give it to you up the ass" boss aka the tough son of a bitch.
Karidgief: Another platformer boss that actually trys to attck you and not let flying eggs and shyguys do you in.
The Clown Car: The Multi Phase redundant boss.
Mother Brain: Long trial of patience.
Dragon Devil: The filler boss. Not really hard and kind of shows up out of nowhere.
The Guy: Final battle with Big Bad.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Mohak on August 13, 2008, 05:50:15 am
ya i do it whenever i get bored
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: AtomicToast on August 15, 2008, 11:21:19 pm
first post...anyways...

so, mecha birdo is supposed to be the easiest boss in the entire game. I tried using this guide, following the youtube video, planning out everything, but no matter how hard I try I can't beat mecha birdo. I make it to the second stage and then the eyes take forever to kill. How did you beat it in the video on only about 20 seconds? Can someone at least send me a save immediately after it. I really want to play the rest of this damn game.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Dagnarok on August 15, 2008, 11:25:50 pm
Mash the shoot button.  There is nothing else to do. :P
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: desktopdoodlz on August 15, 2008, 11:39:26 pm
send me a save immediately after it.
http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/forums/index.php?topic=330.0 (http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/forums/index.php?topic=330.0)
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on August 30, 2008, 01:32:37 pm
Just curious, but was the mother brain safe spot revmoved in newer versions, or do I just fail at standing on thin glass. I'm probaby just doing it wrong so if any of you have a pic of EXACTLY where it is, it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Yule on August 30, 2008, 11:34:36 pm
Just curious, but was the mother brain safe spot revmoved in newer versions, or do I just fail at standing on thin glass. I'm probaby just doing it wrong so if any of you have a pic of EXACTLY where it is, it would be greatly appreciated.
It is harder than the spike ceiling pixel perfect thing.
I'd say its to buggy to be reliable, you have to get real lucky.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on August 31, 2008, 12:38:52 am
thanks, that explains why it's so hard to do.

Mother Brain has proved to be a glitchy boss on my copy of IWBTG.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Storyyeller on October 24, 2008, 06:08:35 pm
I have a question about Dracula

what part of him is vulnerable?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: SilentLoner on October 24, 2008, 06:11:07 pm
His head.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on October 24, 2008, 11:22:45 pm
His balls, but since they are unhitable, go for the head instead.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: adameast9000 on October 27, 2008, 06:08:30 pm
is there any way to skip the cutcenes? i must have seen the dracula thing like 100 times
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Dagnarok on October 27, 2008, 06:11:57 pm
Press the S key.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: adameast9000 on October 27, 2008, 07:59:09 pm
thanks, now i can increase my deaths/time
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Storyyeller on November 12, 2008, 12:41:08 am
I probably would have permanently quit the game if I hadn't known how to skip Dracula's cutscene

He took me seven hours without the cutscenes!
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: gamer4563gh on November 15, 2008, 05:15:56 am
good guide. btw my best time on Boss Rush was
21:12

Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: pi4arctan1guy on January 05, 2009, 04:00:32 am
I didn't know about skipping cut scenes until I had been fighting The Guy for a while.  It was stupid.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Fizzi on January 30, 2009, 05:41:04 pm
Oh wow... You can make wart blow up by shooting the bullet. I've been chilling on the left side, walking off the edge as the bullet approached and jumping on the stage after it passed me. Did anyone else ever use this strategy?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: ader47 on February 01, 2009, 03:22:43 pm
Quote
Oh wow... You can make wart blow up by shooting the bullet. I've been chilling on the left side, walking off the edge as the bullet approached and jumping on the stage after it passed me. Did anyone else ever use this strategy?

No, I just stand behind the kar when it fires the bullet, and wait for it to go away.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Fizzi on February 02, 2009, 04:59:29 am
Another Necro post :/

This thread is stickied. I was under the impression that necro posts didn't matter/were expected in stickied threads.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: thekillagorilla on March 02, 2009, 04:28:05 pm
At Devil Dragon, In the first crossing-over

Do you go up or down afther the first middle part crosses over?

I prefer Going up... Its risky, but I got used to it :P
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: ybbald on March 03, 2009, 03:16:23 pm
Up

And before starting the race back, I pause for a half a second otherwise I fuck up the timing
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Renikor on May 03, 2009, 09:49:51 am
Thank you! I was about to gouge out my eyes on the guy   :spikes:
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Silver on May 23, 2009, 11:49:36 pm
Seni-necro post! Okay, I've had enough of this. I've been stuck on the guy for about 4 days. I finally caved and came to this section for help, after doing the ENTIRE game without, AND I STILL CAN'T BEAT IT. I can get to the final phase, when there's fire all over the ground and it periodically shoots 2 spikes. I am sick of this and really need tips. Generally what kills me is he seems to fire the fireballs and spikes at the same time, so one tracks where I am in the air, and the fire tracks when I land on the piller. By the time I realized this has happened, I won't have enough air to double jump onto the wall, and if I do get to the wall, by the time I get back, the eye is back to normal. This is extremely frustrating as I am so close to the end, and would really be obliged if I got hints, tips, or help of any way besides someone doing it for me.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Arkhanno on May 24, 2009, 01:18:59 am
The tips I'm going to give are not easy to master, but they recommended to use if you wish to beat The Guy's last three phases in the main game.

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Tip 1: Don't let yourself get 'tunnel vision'. Watch the full area of battle, not just one part.
Tip 2: Don't jump once then attack or use both jumps then attack. Use one jump, shoot three times, double jump, shoot four times. If you're fast at mashing you can possibly get more shots in. This is the most effective way. When you're on the pillar you can't do this as well, but it's possible to get most shots in. I can make a video to show how to do this if anyone doesn't understand this tip.
Tip 3: Don't panic. Stay calm and don't let it overwhelm you. If you have to then take a break after every 5 or 10 attempts to calm down. The more angry, frustrated or panicky you are the worse your will do.


I do have another tip, but it's a bit unorthodox and it could just be me.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Silver on May 24, 2009, 11:59:55 am
Thank you, I'm going to go try that out. I'd like to hear your other tip, BTW.

EDIT: Now I can't beat Kraidgief on very hard mode. It is not letting me beat his second form. Every time he goes up top, he moves forward, not letting me on the platform, does an attack, then, still way forward not letting me up, does his finisher attack thing. I can't stop it from happening. Is there any way to stop it?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Kiva on June 17, 2009, 04:52:26 pm
Oh, wow. So..I'm trying to beat Mother Brain.

Just..holy crap, this is ridiculous. XD I can get up to MB and shatter the glass, but once I have to start dodging all the flying rings I start to panic just a tad. It's ridiculously hard trying to pull off 36 shots on it when you keep hitting shift on accident and jumping into the rings. Also, the safe spot - I can't land on the glass without dying. I either just don't land on it at all, or I die. It's a tricky landing, isn't it? o.o

So, what I'm asking - any hints, sans what's in the first post of this thread?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Arkhanno on June 17, 2009, 05:15:48 pm
Ignore the 'safe spot' in the glass. It's one of those pixel perfect areas and even if you do get there then it's really easy to die. The best tip is to watch how the spaghettios move, watch how the turrets move, and to get a sense of when they will go off. I stay around the platform that Mother Brain is on and the one just to the right of her. It is tricky to pull off using just those two platforms for someone who doesn't have much experience with her, so I don't recommend it. Use all three platforms and cycle between them. Watch the whole screen. I can not stress this enough; do not get tunnel vision.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Kiva on June 17, 2009, 05:36:29 pm
Because if you don't pay attention to everything on screen, you're gonna get screwed by something you didn't even see coming.

I'll give this a few more tries. Thanks.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: liquidCorgster on June 17, 2009, 09:01:45 pm
Wow, this is like, mondo mucho helpful right here. Dracula seems to be kind of a glass cannon with so little HPs there, amirite?

Although I had no idea Kraidgief had so much health. Thanks for doing this!
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Arkhanno on June 17, 2009, 09:26:55 pm
Because if you don't pay attention to everything on screen, you're gonna get screwed by something you didn't even see coming.

I'll give this a few more tries. Thanks.

Finally! Someone that can put 2 and 2 together! I'm not talking to doorknobs anymore!
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: matlab on June 18, 2009, 06:10:23 am
What does the scouter say about his powerlevel?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Silver on June 18, 2009, 01:31:45 pm
IT'S OVER 9000! *scouter breaks*
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: matlab on June 18, 2009, 01:37:07 pm
WHAT 9000?! THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT!
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Arkhanno on June 18, 2009, 01:44:59 pm
Oprah: You're wrong! It's over 9000 penises!
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: J.A.R. on June 28, 2009, 12:16:05 pm
GRRR! I don't know still how to kill Wily, Every time I try jumping over the Rolling Ball, I either ram into the clown car, or I end up hitting a flame on the ground, Ive been stuck on it for like 3 days, Im a little tired of it, Does anyone have any tips on to beating Wily?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Ellipsis on June 28, 2009, 02:11:06 pm
Hack your save?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Arkhanno on June 28, 2009, 04:47:05 pm
Follow the ball left and let Wily drop one fireball. When the left most pillar of fire starts to go down, jump the bowling ball. You can get a few hits in then run to the right side and dodge the fireballs easily. I've never actually gotten to the point where he starts dropping fireballs after the second bowling ball, so I can't help you if you don't beat him by then.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: J.A.R. on June 28, 2009, 10:45:36 pm
Thanks, It helped, I just have to try to dodge the flames right. Sometimes I get too exited and mess up.....    :kid:
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: liquidCorgster on June 29, 2009, 09:20:02 am
Yeah, KKK is hard. But he's not THAT hard. You've just got to get a rhythm.

Or you could hack your save.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Ellipsis on June 29, 2009, 10:22:19 am
It's like a long cutscen with a hard jump at the end.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: J.A.R. on June 29, 2009, 12:10:05 pm
Yeah! I beat Dr, Wily! Now Im in probaly the hardest place Ever, Metroid, it took me like 2 weeks to beat mother brain.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: SilentLoner on June 29, 2009, 01:15:25 pm
Wait, you've never beaten Wily before this?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: J.A.R. on June 29, 2009, 02:29:44 pm
I becasme the guy once, But Somehow, When I was playing it the first time, I used I wanna be the fix because I screwed up a save, and I guess it wouldnt let me fight Boweser anymore, I couldnt refix it, so Im replaying it so I can actually beat the whole game again. Im already past metroid, Im up intto  he couches now....
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Storyyeller on October 05, 2009, 10:00:18 pm
Why is there no information about Giant Head Guy?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Arkhanno on October 05, 2009, 11:06:22 pm
If you read the OP you would have seen it was made for Boss Rush.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Storyyeller on October 06, 2009, 10:53:53 pm
How come whenever I play Boss Rush, The Guy has his giant head form anyway?
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Evan20000 on October 06, 2009, 11:29:59 pm
You're using glitched boss rush. Beat the game and do it again.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: EvilLurker on December 03, 2009, 07:50:10 am
Cheat/Glitch/any other non-conventional way to die
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So this is something I learned while making it through Kraidgeif.. Pressing K at the right times as he is appearing will eventually cause the same effect as the infamous glitch. Not exactly sure if the timing has to be perfect or not, I just know I waited till he was almost halfway up, then pressed it a few times, and he stuck for me to shoot him.

As for Mechabirdo, you can time a jump to make the moon fall which triggers Birdo to appear in the frames below, including the egg firing. Time it right and you can land on a High egg without having to worry about hopping and shy guys. And so far I don't think its possible to miss an egg doing this.

Dracula has a Safe spot in the far right corner similar to the bowser spot.

After Wart does the attack phase its possible to get on the far right of the platform and remain behind the copter for a while and it will eventually move on to wily. And I'm not sure how I did it butone time I fell off the platform during this time and was teleported to Tourian, but the Save game failed.

Also during the guy dunno if you need shift or not but Holding END(S?) will show the ending cutscene

Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Nicholas J.A. on January 20, 2010, 08:40:35 pm
This is a Excellent® guide to defeating the bosses, It really is helping me beat mecha birdo

EDIT: Great guide
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: SilentLoner on January 25, 2010, 08:53:36 pm
Please don't double-post.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Nicholas J.A. on January 25, 2010, 10:01:52 pm
this is a Excellent® guide! it has proven to be very useful to me on my quest to become the guy

EDIT: if you are just having a very hard time killing kriadgeif. then switch you gun control to k and you will kill him intantantly but don't be a cheater
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: SilentLoner on January 25, 2010, 11:49:07 pm
...Didn't I just warn you about double-posting? :/
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: ybbald on January 27, 2010, 01:30:18 pm
SL, change the OP so it has my current name instead of Dr. Tran so I get props from newbies :D
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Venser on January 27, 2010, 05:01:06 pm
No newbie is going to give you props simply for counting the number of times you shot Dracula.

Okay, maybe some will, but they're stupid.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Cool Nerd on January 27, 2010, 06:05:54 pm
Oh my god! That was you?! You are so awesome dude!!! I wanna grow up to be just like you!
[/sarcasm]

:)



Aaaaany way... On topic now: Anychance of adding where the next save is after each boss? I'm doing a Very Hard run and would be useful to know ;)
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Arkhanno on January 27, 2010, 07:27:59 pm
If you read the OP you would have seen it was made for Boss Rush.
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: ybbald on January 28, 2010, 09:31:19 am
Oh my god! That was you?! You are so awesome dude!!! I wanna grow up to be just like you!
:D
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: pwnsauce on April 19, 2012, 11:49:58 am
I am pretty sure only 8 shot are enough to Make the 2 purples blobs when we are facing dracula
To take down the second form i still don't know.... seems random to me.... does hitting little blobs give health back to dracula u_u?
Proof : http://youtu.be/cypfAaZheXI   i can only shoot 2 bullet per jump
sry for the sh*** quality... i play IWBTG cause the pc can't run other games ;p

EDIT :
OKAY an other bug appear when u change hotkey... "ctrl" to jump and "up arrow" to fire...
with those hotkey u need only 8 bullet to take down dracula's first form... then 95 bullet arn't enough to kill him... i think he is unvulnerable with those hotkeys.. i spent 2 days trying again and again without any result...
then i take default hotkeys and i defeated dracula in 3 try....
Title: Re: Boss Guide (HP, strategies, everything)
Post by: Smiles on November 09, 2012, 01:41:29 pm
There is a Glitch With Dracula. Standing to the far right side of the screen makes you invulrible to all his attacks. They Just Stop short of teh last block. Also The Max Bullet Count Messes up there, meaning you can shoot (This is just from me button mashing) 10 bullets on screen at once