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Woah.
« on: November 27, 2010, 09:58:46 pm »

If you were born blind, deaf, mute, without the ability to touch, taste, smell, and all those other good senses, gone, would you exist? Perhaps you'd dream, but of what, seeing as you've no building blocks from this world to start from?
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Re: Woah.
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2010, 10:16:07 pm »

Yes. You would exist. You would have no perception of your own existence, perhaps, but that's irrelevant. A rock has no perception of it's own existence, but it certainly exists.

The question of whether or not reality is a subjective thing has always kind of irritated me, because it isn't. "Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or may be thought to be." (thanks wikipedia!)

Sure, it hypothetically could be that there's no world outside of our own senses, but EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE SUGGESTS that that isn't the case. There's a relevant 1984 quote where O'Brien says there isn't a world separate from consciousness, but I can't be bothered finding it and I'm sure Mark'll be all over this thread anyways.

EDIT: Oh, in the case that by 'would you exist' you mean 'would you be conscious,' then honestly I have no idea. I can't imagine what it would be like. I can't give a source, but I have a vague recollection of reading something that said that people who were blind from birth could still 'see' things in their head, but it's hard to say how accurate that is.
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Re: Woah.
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2010, 10:23:16 pm »

Alright, but I'm just curious, what do you think that'd be like? Not having any perception of your own existence, I mean. Your brain would surely create something to do to keep it busy, right? Providing you're alive and healthy. This is all completely hypothetical.

And how do we know rocks have no perception of themselves?? ...Ok, that's pushing it.
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Re: Woah.
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 10:27:20 pm »

Alright, but I'm just curious, what do you think that'd be like? Not having any perception of your own existence, I mean. Your brain would surely create something to do to keep it busy, right? Providing you're alive and healthy. This is all completely hypothetical.

Well, no idea! I mean, my first reaction was "you'd still be able to think," but you'd never have learned a language so I'm not sure how true that would be (because, do you think in a language? Partially, I reckon.) Possibly you'd live in a state similar to an animal, but even that wouldn't be true. Honestly it's kind of a difficult question to answer.

And how do we know rocks have no perception of themselves?? ...Ok, that's pushing it.

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Re: Woah.
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 01:15:51 am »

I think Kwiftee's pretty much covered it. Whatever exists, exists, and whether things exist or not has nothing to do with their intelligence or makeup of different patterns of matter.
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Re: Woah.
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2016, 07:10:33 am »

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