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Twilight
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Pinkie
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Applejack
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Rainbow Dash
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Rarity
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Fluttershy
- 8 (32%)
This thread is getting silly
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Evan is a loser
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How rude
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2011, 11:52:16 pm »

there are already some clopclop posts in the GD thread
the problem is that it takes me too damn long to find them every night
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2011, 12:22:07 am »

We already have topics for many of the things you mentioned: humorous pictures, music, videos. Why does each of those things need to have a specific MLP version?
How about the fact everyone seems to go off their nut if anything pony related is seen outside of the MLP thread?

*talk about episode discussion sizes*
The point of a separate thread for actual episode discussion clearly is not immediately apparent.
The reason is this:
No one knows how to actually use spoiler tags correctly.  Nor when its appropriate to stop using them.


The final two divisions you suggest are comics and fanfiction. Comics are relatively few of the posts in the MLP thread, and I don't see any comic-related posts in the last six pages of the thread.
Thread consists of 1185 posts.  Try finding all posts related to comics.
Its not easy, is it?


I'm really not sure why quartiles are relevant. The determination of whether MLP has enough content to be its own subforum has nothing at all to do with how big it is compared to other threads; it has to do with absolute standards of "is it so large and diverse that the thread is too chaotic to understand?" and/or "is it big enough to garner its own subforum?" Neither of those things have anything to do with comparing its size to other topics.
It has a lot to do with comparing it to other topics, actually.  Comparing it to other topics (Which, for the most part, are easy to understand) it is over 16 times bigger than what you'd reasonably expect.
That indicates there is something fundamentally wrong going on here.  The same is true about the Minecraft thread.
Being that it is 16 times bigger, you could, quite rightly, assume that it is actually composed of 16 much smaller threads.
In reality, it may be more than that.  It may be less than that.  But its a damn good guess.


The direct insult, too, is really not necessary and just makes you appear childish and unable to support an argument with facts. If you're arguing that I'm trying to display my power rather than keep order, that's a different argument...and one you would find impossible to support, given that there's no evidence for it.
It was not an insult; It was an observation.
Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.
This was you posting that, yes?


The point of threads is not "There is too much discussion going on"; the point of them is "There has been too much discussion over time, it is impossible to sanely find anything".  The point of the subforum is that most people get really pissy if they see even one more pony related thread (Case in point: THIS FUCKING THREAD), so by putting them in their own subforum they would only ever see one pony related thing: the subforum itself.  This is known as a compromise.


The simple fact is, to counter my post you actually had to go into the thread and look back at least six pages.
Which is exactly my point.
You had to exhaustively scan through a chunk of the thread, and you stopped when you couldn't be bothered anymore.


Laugh = Lose is much bigger, though doesn't have its own subforum.
Laugh = lose is literally one topic: You post pictures, people try not to laugh at them.  It cannot be split any more than it already is.

Minecraft is behind about 20 pages, but still is much bigger than your "F'ing huge" thread status, though it doesn't have its own subforum.

Why should My Little Pony? Either give Minecraft its own as well as My Little Pony, or neither. I say neither because although I LOVE Minecraft, it wouldn't be fair still. Besides, what happens when its popularity dies off? Do we keep the subforum? What about My Lame Pony? Do we keep that subforum when its popularity dies off?
I never said the Minecraft topic shouldn't be split.  In fact I believe it should, for the very same reasons I've already stated.  Its why I was using it as an example earlier, even if I did not outright state this.
As to what to do with the subforums later, you could always add a 'vault' category to the main page and move it and any other unused subforums there.  Then people can just cascade the list so they never see any of the unused sections again.
Or you could add [MLP] to the topic of all threads and then just merge it back in to GD.
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2011, 12:23:49 am »

I can understand wanting to make separate threads for separate topics - it makes it easier for people to stay on topic when new shit happens.

That's just the problem, though. Either we're too condensed into one thread to be able to legally post everything, or else we'll have too many threads with too few posts.

If you want my solution? One MLP Discussion thread in GD that stays relatively on-topic, and one Clop Clop thread in NSFW (so that Boner = Lose doesn't become bronyfied). Since this isn't Hasbro Forums, we won't need to have one discussion thread for every episode AND one discussion thread for every season AND one discussion thread for every character AND one Clop Clop thread for every character (scary thought - there's enough out there to justify that last one). One discussion thread and one porn thread, that's really all we'd need for MLP - especially since it appears to be a smaller subset of the forumites than the regular mafia players.

While we're on the subject, since most of General Games is filled up with Mafia, can we make a mafia subforum? [/tangent]

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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2011, 12:28:03 am »

This is not a MLP Forum. It's an IWBTG forum. The MLP thread is fine as it is. We've never had an issue about large threads before. Should we make a thread for L=L rage comics? And another for L=L videos? And one for L=L demotivationals? And one L=L for everything else? No, that's absurd. MLP is one topic and one thread is sufficient
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2011, 12:32:49 am »

Furry, be reasonable. The bronies will want their pony porn, but they're not allowed to have it outside of NSFW (and everyone complains when pony porn shows up in B=L). Two threads.

Salamander (and I just thought of this): Show Newest Posts Since Last Visit shows new posts from all accessible sub-forums. Which means that we'd still get pissy, we just would have to keep it to ourselves.

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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2011, 12:34:13 am »

I don't see a problem with a NSFW thread if Ybbald is okay with it. But having threads all over the place when the posts could easily be condensed into one thread is out of the question.
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2011, 12:36:23 am »

I meant one non-porn thread is sufficient. I'm fine with a clopclop thread in nsfw. That's what nsfw is for. No one has to go to nsfw
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2011, 12:37:00 am »

Regarding the whole NSFW thing, do I have to bring up what Google complained about to Kayin? >_>

Salamander (and I just thought of this): Show Newest Posts Since Last Visit shows new posts from all accessible sub-forums. Which means that we'd still get pissy, we just would have to keep it to ourselves.

Not sure why restraint is so difficult these days. >_>

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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2011, 12:40:04 am »

the problem was only with adds showing up in the NSFW board right? We've got that turned off
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2011, 12:51:49 am »

We already have topics for many of the things you mentioned: humorous pictures, music, videos. Why does each of those things need to have a specific MLP version?
How about the fact everyone seems to go off their nut if anything pony related is seen outside of the MLP thread?
They can deal with it. If it's really such a huge issue, throw it in a spoiler and mark it with MLP. Honestly though, just as an example, anyone who rages at something MLP-related that's supposed to be generally funny being posted in, say, Laugh = Lose needs to get over it. Just post it, it's not your fault if they react poorly.

*talk about episode discussion sizes*
The point of a separate thread for actual episode discussion clearly is not immediately apparent.
The reason is this:
No one knows how to actually use spoiler tags correctly.  Nor when its appropriate to stop using them.
That doesn't mean that it makes it worthwhile to clog up the forum with different threads that won't even get to 10 posts. This is a rather poor argument. If you want people to use spoiler tags, tell them that or don't go through the thread. Even if we had different threads for each episode, there would still be spoilers in the general thread. This isn't even a solution to the problem either way.

The final two divisions you suggest are comics and fanfiction. Comics are relatively few of the posts in the MLP thread, and I don't see any comic-related posts in the last six pages of the thread.
Thread consists of 1185 posts.  Try finding all posts related to comics.
Its not easy, is it?
Of course not. It's not purely about how many posts are there, though; it's about posts over time. If your thread is only going to get about one post every other day, well, that's really not much of a thread, even if it's been going for a year and you have 150+ posts.

I'm really not sure why quartiles are relevant. The determination of whether MLP has enough content to be its own subforum has nothing at all to do with how big it is compared to other threads; it has to do with absolute standards of "is it so large and diverse that the thread is too chaotic to understand?" and/or "is it big enough to garner its own subforum?" Neither of those things have anything to do with comparing its size to other topics.
It has a lot to do with comparing it to other topics, actually.  Comparing it to other topics (Which, for the most part, are easy to understand) it is over 16 times bigger than what you'd reasonably expect.
That indicates there is something fundamentally wrong going on here.  The same is true about the Minecraft thread.
Being that it is 16 times bigger, you could, quite rightly, assume that it is actually composed of 16 much smaller threads.
In reality, it may be more than that.  It may be less than that.  But its a damn good guess.
You still haven't explained why other threads are relevant. They aren't. It has nothing at all to do with other threads. Other threads don't deserve multiple topics or subforums either. There are plenty of threads of MLP's size that also don't have multiple topics or a subforum; why is MLP different from them? Your argument of "MLP is too diverse to be in one thread" is not convincing. I fail to see where all these divisions are. Fanfiction is the only plausibly large division off, and I don't see why it's so unreasonable for you to deal with having two (or even three, or four, or five) extremely similar and connected topics in one thread. At 16, you're talking about minute differences between divisions like "MLP funny pictures" and "MLP sad pictures" and "good sad fanfiction" and "good happy fanfiction", and so on.

The direct insult, too, is really not necessary and just makes you appear childish and unable to support an argument with facts. If you're arguing that I'm trying to display my power rather than keep order, that's a different argument...and one you would find impossible to support, given that there's no evidence for it.
It was not an insult; It was an observation.
Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.
This was you posting that, yes?
If you interpreted me as serious, you have two issues: one, you're far too defensive about your interests, and two, you don't understand that this forum is generally comprised of jokes. Would I have actually done it? Probably not, except possibly once or twice for comedic value. It's not as if I'm trying to maliciously destroy your pony thread, I was merely attempting to make humor. If you don't think jokes are appropriate, you should probably take a good, long look at how seriously you're taking comments about replacing images in a thread on an online forum.

The point of threads is not "There is too much discussion going on"; the point of them is "There has been too much discussion over time, it is impossible to sanely find anything".  The point of the subforum is that most people get really pissy if they see even one more pony related thread (Case in point: THIS FUCKING THREAD), so by putting them in their own subforum they would only ever see one pony related thing: the subforum itself.  This is known as a compromise.
This is really the only sensible point you have, and it's just not enough. It's honestly not that difficult to find what you're looking for in the MLP thread; the search button does actually work, you know. Sure, there are some things you can't find with it, like images, but breaking the thread into subsections wouldn't make that a whole lot better. As long as you remember around when it was posted, you can use that information to get into the general area in the thread and it shouldn't be difficult from there. If you're trying to conglomerate a bunch of images or something of that kind, there's plenty of better places to go, like forums that are actually dedicated to MLP.

The simple fact is, to counter my post you actually had to go into the thread and look back at least six pages.
Which is exactly my point.
You had to exhaustively scan through a chunk of the thread, and you stopped when you couldn't be bothered anymore.
It really wasn't all that difficult to search through six pages of the thread, even looking for multiple different things. It took a few minutes; if your argument were more convincing, I would have looked through more of the thread to determine whether or not there truly are significant divisions of topics in the MLP thread.

Laugh = Lose is much bigger, though doesn't have its own subforum.
Laugh = lose is literally one topic: You post pictures, people try not to laugh at them.  It cannot be split any more than it already is.
As Ybbald says, it could be split into images, videos, text, and so on. Given that most people are there for the images, and there's actually a significant number of people who rarely, if ever, click on the videos in Laugh = Lose (myself included), this actually wouldn't be unreasonable...if not for all the points that have been made against it in this very thread.

Minecraft is behind about 20 pages, but still is much bigger than your "F'ing huge" thread status, though it doesn't have its own subforum.

Why should My Little Pony? Either give Minecraft its own as well as My Little Pony, or neither. I say neither because although I LOVE Minecraft, it wouldn't be fair still. Besides, what happens when its popularity dies off? Do we keep the subforum? What about My Lame Pony? Do we keep that subforum when its popularity dies off?
I never said the Minecraft topic shouldn't be split.  In fact I believe it should, for the very same reasons I've already stated.  Its why I was using it as an example earlier, even if I did not outright state this.
As to what to do with the subforums later, you could always add a 'vault' category to the main page and move it and any other unused subforums there.  Then people can just cascade the list so they never see any of the unused sections again.
Or you could add [MLP] to the topic of all threads and then just merge it back in to GD.
There isn't a reason to make the subforum in the first place;
This is not a MLP Forum. It's an IWBTG forum. The MLP thread is fine as it is. We've never had an issue about large threads before. Should we make a thread for L=L rage comics? And another for L=L videos? And one for L=L demotivationals? And one L=L for everything else? No, that's absurd. MLP is one topic and one thread is sufficient

You can create all the conjecture and continue arguing for as long as you wish, but you need a much more convincing argument for there to be a subforum for MLP. A NSFW thread isn't unreasonable because those posts can't be made anywhere else, since Kayin doesn't want NSFW things on the searchable parts of the forum. I would say it isn't unreasonable to break MLP into a GD thread and a Crap thread (dividing based on post quality, as in images go in crap whereas discussion goes in GD), but just because it isn't unreasonable doesn't mean it should be done.
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2011, 02:56:30 am »

Also, for every other MLP thread that gets made, I will replace one image in the actual MLP thread with a picture of a dead pony.
This was you posting that, yes?
If you interpreted me as serious, you have two issues: one, you're far too defensive about your interests, and two, you don't understand that this forum is generally comprised of jokes. Would I have actually done it? Probably not, except possibly once or twice for comedic value. It's not as if I'm trying to maliciously destroy your pony thread, I was merely attempting to make humor. If you don't think jokes are appropriate, you should probably take a good, long look at how seriously you're taking comments about replacing images in a thread on an online forum.
The crap forum is a place for general purpose humour such as lighthearted abuse of powers.  General Discussions is not.  The MLP thread is currently located in General Discussions.  This distinction is important.

As for me being too defensive about my interests?  I'd react the same way if you said it about the Minecraft thread- and I hate Minecraft.  This is about professionalism.
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2011, 03:03:55 am »

Note that we are currently making this discussion in Crap. And please note Serious Discussion; if nothing that was not serious was permitted in General Discussion, why would we have made the distinction between those two sections? There is plenty of room for humor in General Discussion; there just has to be a certain content requirement in your posts.

Not that I want to venture too far into conjecture, but I highly doubt it. You don't post on the forum at all unless it involves something you're particularly interested in. It clearly has nothing to do with professionalism.
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2011, 03:08:04 am »

As for me being too defensive about my interests?  I'd react the same way if you said it about the Minecraft thread- and I hate Minecraft.  This is about professionalism.
I call BS on that. Whenever a fiasco comes up involving a moderator (potentially) overstepping their bounds, you're nowhere to be found in the discussion.
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2011, 03:45:36 am »

You don't post on the forum at all unless it involves something you're particularly interested in. It clearly has nothing to do with professionalism.
I call BS on that. Whenever a fiasco comes up involving a moderator (potentially) overstepping their bounds, you're nowhere to be found in the discussion.
If the topic is unlikely to interest me, I do not click on it.  Therefore, I am only aware of issues that occur in topics which may interest me.  Additionally, I have been known to not even look at the forum for months at a time.
Yes, clearly, you have me all figured out.
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Re: Which ponies are morally superior?
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2011, 12:26:57 pm »

Basing your conduct on your past history, you have no evidence to support your claim that you would have any issue with it if it weren't MLP-related. You can claim that's because you wouldn't click the thread, but not looking into the threads indicate a lack of interest. If you were so interested in the health of the forum that you would defend something you're not interested in based purely on "professionalism", then you would look in those threads and respond. We've had plenty of much more horrendous instances in the past where the moderator was violating a rule. In this case, not only am I not violating a rule, you're literally the only person that has any issue with it because you're the only one here that doesn't accept that humor is quite appropriate on this forum unless there's some specific reason that it's not acceptable (as in SD, or certain topics that can be anywhere).

EDIT: As Evan reminded me, SD isn't even totally serious either. Mild jokes can be appropriate, as long as they are on-topic and your post contains content.
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